Can you prove that God does not exist?

Angilion said:
Those three religions worship the same god. There is no question about that at all.

One of the Islamic holy days is the birthday of Abraham (although Moslems name him differently, due to different languages, they are referring to the same person) because he was the first of the great messengers from god.

Same man, same god.

Jesus (again, different language, different name) is revered in Islam, also as a great messenger from god.

Same man, same god.

The message isn't all that different, either.

It's more or less Judaism, Judaism 2 and Judaism 3.

They are not the same God... altho Jesus is in islam - islam ignores everything Jesus did and taught. Islam and christianity preach different messages - but at same time says God never changes His mind - so one is lying.

Islam is clearly false and a lie!

1) It only comes from one man vision. There are plenty of people in nut houses claiming to have God speaking to them - why dont we listen to those people but islam listens to Muhamard. Muhammard even said him self he thought the visions were from satan... his wife convinced him that it was not. Silly wife really as quran preaches to cruety to women. However the Bible is writen by 40 different writers over several thousens of years all talking about the same thing.

2) Islam claims the bible was corrupted by man and the Quran was the uncorrupted bible given back to the people. Again we have anchent manuscripes dating back many thousens of years ago and the bible is word for word the same today as it was then.... when did the corruption happen then??? lol

3) The basis of believing that Muhamard comes from one verse in the bible saying that after Jesus God will send a helper. This helper islam claims to be muhammard. However if muslims read a few words on in the bible it clearly states that the "helper" is the holyspirit and it will live inside of us! This makes Islam null and void!

4) Islam is full of critical mistakes... eg in Quran it states that when Jesus was a child he was taught the torah ( 1st 5 books of old testerment) and the Gosples. Poor deluded muslims... dont they realise that the Gosples were writen about the adult life of Jesus Christ???

5) Muhammard was a millatry leader that enforced his new religion on people - killing them if they did not believe. Its natural that the quran keeps these ideals going. Again it clearly states that people that dont become muslims should be killed... and that its muslims job to kill every Jew on the planet.

Islam is a religion of Hate... Christanity of Love

We talking about what the basis of their beliefs are - the Bible and quran and not about the churches who have done the will of man rather than God over the ages.


growse said:
Can't we all just agree that "Can you prove that God exists?" is a meaningless question, just like "What colour is Wednesday?"? Meaningless questions are slightly unworthy of debate imo.

And yes, this thread should have ended very early on.


Oh on a lighter note... wednesday is deffo Orange!
 
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Vegetarian said:
They are not the same God... altho Jesus is in islam - islam ignores everything Jesus did and taught. Islam and christianity preach different messages - but at same time says God never changes His mind - so one is lying.

Islam is clearly false and a lie!

1) It only comes from one man vision. There are plenty of people in nut houses claiming to have God speaking to them - why dont we listen to those people but islam listens to Muhamard. Muhammard even said him self he thought the visions were from satan... his wife convinced him that it was not. Silly wife really as quran preaches to cruety to women. However the Bible is writen by 40 different writers over several thousens of years all talking about the same thing.

2) Islam claims the bible was corrupted by man and the Quran was the uncorrupted bible given back to the people. Again we have anchent manuscripes dating back many thousens of years ago and the bible is word for word the same today as it was then.... when did the corruption happen then??? lol

3) The basis of believing that Muhamard comes from one verse in the bible saying that after Jesus God will send a helper. This helper islam claims to be muhammard. However if muslims read a few words on in the bible it clearly states that the "helper" is the holyspirit and it will live inside of us! This makes Islam null and void!

4) Islam is full of critical mistakes... eg in Quran it states that when Jesus was a child he was taught the torah ( 1st 5 books of old testerment) and the Gosples. Poor deluded muslims... dont they realise that the Gosples were writen about the adult life of Jesus Christ???

5) Muhammard was a millatry leader that enforced his new religion on people - killing them if they did not believe. Its natural that the quran keeps these ideals going. Again it clearly states that people that dont become muslims should be killed... and that its muslims job to kill every Jew on the planet.

Islam is a religion of Hate... Christanity of Love

We talking about what the basis of their beliefs are - the Bible and quran and not about the churches who have done the will of man rather than God over the ages.
You don't like Islam then? Again, this is just Islam as a (rather intolerant) Christian sees it.

You still haven't mentioned Judaism, either.
 
Vegetarian said:
2) Islam claims the bible was corrupted by man and the Quran was the uncorrupted bible given back to the people. Again we have anchent manuscripes dating back many thousens of years ago and the bible is word for word the same today as it was then.... when did the corruption happen then??? lol

it's certainly not word for word. A lot of bible translations are wrong, You have to reed it in arabic and then decide which one of several diffrent meanings.

For example some say you will be banished to hell, others say that you will be cast into fire and die.

One is eternal torment, one is simply removing you from the universe. totally diffrent meanings.
 
Vegetarian said:
They are not the same God... altho Jesus is in islam - islam ignores everything Jesus did and taught. Islam and christianity preach different messages - but at same time says God never changes His mind - so one is lying.

Do you have any idea about your own religion and theirs?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abrahamic_God#The_Supreme_Deity

Judaism, christianity and Islam all worship the same God. Islam does not ignore everything Jesus did, Jesus in Islam is a prophet, like Muhammed was later.
 
Vegetarian said:
They are not the same God... altho Jesus is in islam - islam ignores everything Jesus did and taught. Islam and christianity preach different messages - but at same time says God never changes His mind - so one is lying.

Islam is clearly false and a lie!

1) It only comes from one man vision. There are plenty of people in nut houses claiming to have God speaking to them - why dont we listen to those people but islam listens to Muhamard. Muhammard even said him self he thought the visions were from satan... his wife convinced him that it was not. Silly wife really as quran preaches to cruety to women. However the Bible is writen by 40 different writers over several thousens of years all talking about the same thing.

If Islam comes from one man, and not many, wouldn't that make the Koran a more accurate interpretation of Gods word?

As humans, our knowledge of a deity is bound to be imperfect as, in the eyes of religion (any religion), God is perfect and humans are not. Therefor our knowledge of God is almost certainly imperfect. If the Bible was written over thounsands of years, by many men, and then edited by various diffrent institutions of Christianity, with parts left out all together (e.g. the Gnostic gospels), surely it stands to reason that the Koran is more accurate because it comes directly from one man. A man who claimed God spoke to him and wrote it down and left it unedited and untouched over the years of Islams existance?
 
AcidHell2 said:
it's certainly not word for word. A lot of bible translations are wrong, You have to reed it in arabic and then decide which one of several diffrent meanings.

For example some say you will be banished to hell, others say that you will be cast into fire and die.

One is eternal torment, one is simply removing you from the universe. totally diffrent meanings.


You slightly wrong there ... A lot of the bible is writen in a dialect of Greek that was used because you cant intrept words any other than the correct meaning.

Theres been ancient scrolls found eg dead sea scrolls that found that the bible today is the same as one many thousens of years ago.

The bible is not writen in arabic either.
 
Woody__ said:
If Islam comes from one man, and not many, wouldn't that make the Koran a more accurate interpretation of Gods word?

As humans, our knowledge of a deity is bound to be imperfect as, in the eyes of religion (any religion), God is perfect and humans are not. Therefor our knowledge of God is almost certainly imperfect. If the Bible was written over thounsands of years, by many men, and then edited by various diffrent institutions of Christianity, with parts left out all together (e.g. the Gnostic gospels), surely it stands to reason that the Koran is more accurate because it comes directly from one man. A man who claimed God spoke to him and wrote it down and left it unedited and untouched over the years of Islams existance?


In a court of law - something happens - 2 different versions of same story - the judge is going to take the version with 40 witnesses over the one witness!

The bible has not been edited either - we have acient manuscripes to prove it. The quran has infact been edited over time.
 
Vegetarian said:
You slightly wrong there ... A lot of the bible is writen in a dialect of Greek that was used because you cant intrept words any other than the correct meaning.

Theres been ancient scrolls found eg dead sea scrolls that found that the bible today is the same as one many thousens of years ago.


which version of the bible?
the language in the dead sea scrolls can have many meanings, it can not be directly translated.
 
AcidHell2 said:
which version of the bible?
the language in the dead sea scrolls can have many meanings, it can not be directly translated.


You starting to talk bull my brother - go and do some research and come back and post here again :)

Can you tell me what languages the dead sea scrolls are written in? can you tell me what kind of dielect it is - also who invented the dielect and why?
 
AcidHell2 said:
That wasn't the question though, it's not a matter of believe, he's asking if it's possible to prove either way.
That was his original question but now the OP is ranting like every other bible goer I know.
 
Vegetarian said:
Islam is clearly false and a lie!

Oh god(!)... so much irony... it hurts.

Why are you so adamant that you're religion is right or better than anybody else's?

Anyway, I think they're all wrong and like to have an understanding of science, rather than a blind faith in it.
 
Vegetarian said:
You starting to talk bull my brother - go and do some research and come back and post here again :)

Can you tell me what languages the dead sea scrolls are written in? can you tell me what kind of dielect it is - also who invented the dielect and why?

Hebrew,[4] Biblical Hebrew (also known as Classical Hebrew), "Dead Sea Scroll Hebrew"

But if the word of god has not changed then how do you explain the number of versions of bible? wake up, the word of god has changed.

I also now that there are many diffrent meanings to the words, just watch any number of the hundreds of documentary on the dead sea scrolls.

the dead sea scrolls where written over many decades, it still is first person view of Jesus. Perhaps you should look at why you shout and defend and talk rubbish, maybe because your insecure in your faith.
 
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Vegetarian said:
In a court of law - something happens - 2 different versions of same story - the judge is going to take the version with 40 witnesses over the one witness!

The bible has not been edited either - we have acient manuscripes to prove it. The quran has infact been edited over time.
It has indeed been edited. Why do you think there are diffrent versions of the same manuscript?
 
Woody__ said:
It has indeed been edited. Why do you think there are diffrent versions of the same manuscript?

he wont comment on that question, I've asked it a few times and he just says I'm talking Ball :rolleyes:
 
Jihad said:
If God existed he has a funny way of showing it.


why? as you have no understanding of what's happening?

it's like saying quantum physics is silly when you don't have the slightest idea of what there on about.
 
AcidHell2 said:
No I cant, but.

But if the word of god has not changed then how do you explain the number of versions of bible? wake up, the word of god has changed.

I also now that there are many diffrent meanings to the words, just watch any number of the hundreds of documentrys on the dead sea scrolls.

Genesis 1 (New American Standard Bible)

Genesis 1
1In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth.
2The earth was formless and void, and darkness was over the surface of the deep, and the Spirit of God was moving over the surface of the waters.

Genesis 1 (New International Version)

1 In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth.
2 Now the earth was formless and empty, darkness was over the surface of the deep, and the Spirit of God was hovering over the waters.

Genesis 1 (21st Century King James Version)

1In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.

2And the earth was without form and void, and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters.


Genesis 1 (English Standard Version)

1In the beginning, God created the heavens and the earth. 2The earth was without form and void, and darkness was over the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God was hovering over the face of the waters.



Genesis 1 (King James Version)

1In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.

2And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters.


All bibles are basicly the same - all saying the same stuff.
 
If there is a god hes certainly not a nice one.

It always amazes me how many times this God orders the killing of innocent people even after the Ten Commandments said “Thou shall not kill”. For example, God kills 70,000 innocent people because David ordered a census of the people (1 Chronicles 21). God also orders the destruction of 60 cities so that the Israelites can live there. He orders the killing of all the men, women, and children of each city, and the looting of all of value (Deuteronomy 3). He orders another attack and the killing of “all the living creatures of the city: men and women, young, and old, as well as oxen sheep, and asses” (Joshua 6). In Judges 21, He orders the murder of all the people of Jabesh-gilead, except for the virgin girls who were taken to be forcibly raped and married. When they wanted more virgins, God told them to hide alongside the road and when they saw a girl they liked, kidnap her and forcibly rape her and make her your wife! Just about every other page in the Old Testament has God killing somebody! In 2 Kings 10:18-27, God orders the murder of all the worshipers of a different god in their very own church! In total God kills 371,186 people directly and orders another 1,862,265 people murdered.
 
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