Can you prove that God does not exist?
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Angilion said:
They are not the same God... altho Jesus is in islam - islam ignores everything Jesus did and taught. Islam and christianity preach different messages - but at same time says God never changes His mind - so one is lying.
Islam is clearly false and a lie!
1) It only comes from one man vision. There are plenty of people in nut houses claiming to have God speaking to them - why dont we listen to those people but islam listens to Muhamard. Muhammard even said him self he thought the visions were from satan... his wife convinced him that it was not. Silly wife really as quran preaches to cruety to women. However the Bible is writen by 40 different writers over several thousens of years all talking about the same thing.
2) Islam claims the bible was corrupted by man and the Quran was the uncorrupted bible given back to the people. Again we have anchent manuscripes dating back many thousens of years ago and the bible is word for word the same today as it was then.... when did the corruption happen then??? lol
3) The basis of believing that Muhamard comes from one verse in the bible saying that after Jesus God will send a helper. This helper islam claims to be muhammard. However if muslims read a few words on in the bible it clearly states that the "helper" is the holyspirit and it will live inside of us! This makes Islam null and void!
4) Islam is full of critical mistakes... eg in Quran it states that when Jesus was a child he was taught the torah ( 1st 5 books of old testerment) and the Gosples. Poor deluded muslims... dont they realise that the Gosples were writen about the adult life of Jesus Christ???
5) Muhammard was a millatry leader that enforced his new religion on people - killing them if they did not believe. Its natural that the quran keeps these ideals going. Again it clearly states that people that dont become muslims should be killed... and that its muslims job to kill every Jew on the planet.
Islam is a religion of Hate... Christanity of Love
We talking about what the basis of their beliefs are - the Bible and quran and not about the churches who have done the will of man rather than God over the ages.
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Oh on a lighter note... wednesday is deffo Orange!
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You don't like Islam then? Again, this is just Islam as a (rather intolerant) Christian sees it.Vegetarian said:
You still haven't mentioned Judaism, either.
Vegetarian said:
it's certainly not word for word. A lot of bible translations are wrong, You have to reed it in arabic and then decide which one of several diffrent meanings.
For example some say you will be banished to hell, others say that you will be cast into fire and die.
One is eternal torment, one is simply removing you from the universe. totally diffrent meanings.
Vegetarian said:
Do you have any idea about your own religion and theirs?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abrahamic_God#The_Supreme_Deity
Judaism, christianity and Islam all worship the same God. Islam does not ignore everything Jesus did, Jesus in Islam is a prophet, like Muhammed was later.
Vegetarian said:
If Islam comes from one man, and not many, wouldn't that make the Koran a more accurate interpretation of Gods word?
As humans, our knowledge of a deity is bound to be imperfect as, in the eyes of religion (any religion), God is perfect and humans are not. Therefor our knowledge of God is almost certainly imperfect. If the Bible was written over thounsands of years, by many men, and then edited by various diffrent institutions of Christianity, with parts left out all together (e.g. the Gnostic gospels), surely it stands to reason that the Koran is more accurate because it comes directly from one man. A man who claimed God spoke to him and wrote it down and left it unedited and untouched over the years of Islams existance?
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AcidHell2 said:
You slightly wrong there ... A lot of the bible is writen in a dialect of Greek that was used because you cant intrept words any other than the correct meaning.
Theres been ancient scrolls found eg dead sea scrolls that found that the bible today is the same as one many thousens of years ago.
The bible is not writen in arabic either.
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Woody__ said:
In a court of law - something happens - 2 different versions of same story - the judge is going to take the version with 40 witnesses over the one witness!
The bible has not been edited either - we have acient manuscripes to prove it. The quran has infact been edited over time.
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AcidHell2 said:
You starting to talk bull my brother - go and do some research and come back and post here again
Can you tell me what languages the dead sea scrolls are written in? can you tell me what kind of dielect it is - also who invented the dielect and why?
Vegetarian said:
Oh god(!)... so much irony... it hurts.
Why are you so adamant that you're religion is right or better than anybody else's?
Anyway, I think they're all wrong and like to have an understanding of science, rather than a blind faith in it.
Vegetarian said:You starting to talk bull my brother - go and do some research and come back and post here again
Can you tell me what languages the dead sea scrolls are written in? can you tell me what kind of dielect it is - also who invented the dielect and why?
Hebrew,[4] Biblical Hebrew (also known as Classical Hebrew), "Dead Sea Scroll Hebrew"
But if the word of god has not changed then how do you explain the number of versions of bible? wake up, the word of god has changed.
I also now that there are many diffrent meanings to the words, just watch any number of the hundreds of documentary on the dead sea scrolls.
the dead sea scrolls where written over many decades, it still is first person view of Jesus. Perhaps you should look at why you shout and defend and talk rubbish, maybe because your insecure in your faith.
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Genesis 1 (New American Standard Bible)
Genesis 1
1In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth.
2The earth was formless and void, and darkness was over the surface of the deep, and the Spirit of God was moving over the surface of the waters.
Genesis 1 (New International Version)
1 In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth.
2 Now the earth was formless and empty, darkness was over the surface of the deep, and the Spirit of God was hovering over the waters.
Genesis 1 (21st Century King James Version)
1In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.
2And the earth was without form and void, and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters.
Genesis 1 (English Standard Version)
1In the beginning, God created the heavens and the earth. 2The earth was without form and void, and darkness was over the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God was hovering over the face of the waters.
Genesis 1 (King James Version)
1In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.
2And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters.
All bibles are basicly the same - all saying the same stuff.