Canadian Grand Prix 2011, Circuit Gilles Villeneuve - Race 7/19

Skeeter · 13 Jun 2011 at 12:05

Lewis' future at McLaren hinges on Webbers future at Red Bull. If Webber stays on for 2012 Lewis will be driving for Red Bull in 2013. If Webber leaved, Red Bull will employ someone else as McLaren will not let him go early.

However, I would be a bit weary of moving to a new team for 2013 based on previous years form. 2013 could be a massive milestone for regulation changes. The reason RBR are now a front running team is because they got the 2009 rules bang on. Theres always the potential for someone else to get the 2013 rules bang on and Lewis moves to a team that ends up doing worse than McLaren.

However, if Lewis picks up a few wins in the second half of this season and ends on a charge... everything could change.

dannyjo22 · 13 Jun 2011 at 12:06

Duke said:
The rumour mill starts up again - http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/92327

He could jump ship and the regs move in favour of another team. That said when the regs change Newey has always done a great job.

I'd love to see Hamilton at Red Bull. Either way it works for Horner to have this out in the press and force webber to sign for another year for 20p.

NathanE · 13 Jun 2011 at 12:06

Duke said:
The rumour mill starts up again - http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/92327

Not really the greatest time to start such rumours. A time when everyone is questioning Hamilton's mindset.

McLaren had the fastest car yesterday. Hamilton needs to learn that qualifying isn't the be-all end-all. He should have more belief in his team, especially after the "extra wing" setup gamble paid off in brilliant style for Jenson.

Who the **** is managing Hamilton? Where was he? Has anyone actually seen him turn up at any grand prix's yet to perform mind management for Hamilton!?

What I thought was interesting is that his dad went with him to the stewards in Monaco... wasn't publicised much in the press but it is true.

arknor · 13 Jun 2011 at 12:09

Dr Who said:
Yup what I was saying the last few pages which AH2 has still failed to come up with an answer too.

its nolonger racing when you dont have to fight for position.

if a driver is good enough he should be able to take that position anyway.

cars can run 0.5seconds behind the car infront this season where as last season it was around 1.0seconds because of the DD.

DRS zones are so long there is very little skill involved and overtaking for position becomes as boring as overtaking a backmarket.

as murray walker used to say "its one thing catching a driver overtaking is entirely a different matter"

all DRS does is even out the field regarding overtaking ability , a crap overtaker suddenly becomes a master overtaker and imo its crap , looks boring etc.

some of you will no doubt like it because it favors certain drivers like JB , webber , vettel , massa etc and allows them to compete with drivers that can naturally pull off stunning overtakes anyway

Dr Who · 13 Jun 2011 at 12:09

sunama said:
I don't see this as being the case.

See my Sig

Dr Who · 13 Jun 2011 at 12:12

arknor said:
its nolonger racing when you dont have to fight for position.

And other dull opinions that just repeat what AH2 said pages back and were answered.

So DRS means no fighting for position and no skills, I am 100% confident you have never raced in your life and it shows.

smr · 13 Jun 2011 at 12:12

Robbie G said:
If the driver being overtaken is good enough, being skinned by a DRS car is no problem as they should stay within 1 second and DRS them back. If they can't do this, they deserved to be overtaken in the first place.

I like DRS as it provides more drama and shortens the length of time that crap cars hold up good ones.

Exactamundo.

arknor · 13 Jun 2011 at 12:17

Dr Who said:
So DRS means no fighting for position and no skills, I am 100% confident you have never raced in your life and it shows.

im 100% confident you havent watched f1 for more than a few seasons.

some of us are old enough to remember when overtaking was an art and and the people good at it were rewarded.

the same can be said for defensive driving if anything the level of skill on an f1 grid has declined since the 90's

Dr Who · 13 Jun 2011 at 12:19

arknor said:
im 100% confident you havent watched f1 for more than a few seasons.

Yeah, I went to Brands Hatch to watch Nigel Mansell win his first ever race, and then stopped watching until 2 seasons ago :rolleyes:

You are 100% wrong, in fact so wrong you couldn't be more wrong. You are 30 and I am 46 so good try with the age card.

Skeeter · 13 Jun 2011 at 12:19

arknor said:
its nolonger racing when you dont have to fight for position.

if a driver is good enough he should be able to take that position anyway.

cars can run 0.5seconds behind the car infront this season where as last season it was around 1.0seconds because of the DD.

DRS zones are so long there is very little skill involved and overtaking for position becomes as boring as overtaking a backmarket.

as murray walker used to say "its one thing catching a driver overtaking is entirely a different matter"

all DRS does is even out the field regarding overtaking ability , a crap overtaker suddenly becomes a master overtaker and imo its crap , looks boring etc.

some of you will no doubt like it because it favors certain drivers like JB , webber , vettel , massa etc and allows them to compete with drivers that can naturally pull off stunning overtakes anyway

Do you want overtaking or not? Current rules mean without DRS you wont get much. With DRS you get some. Your mystical magic middle ground of no DRS yet loads of overtaking doesn't exist. Get over it. Theres a thread for "it was better in X decade". Take it there. This is about the 2011 Canadian GP!

utajoker · 13 Jun 2011 at 12:22

every thread turns in to an argument over drs

NathanE · 13 Jun 2011 at 12:22

arknor said:
im 100% confident you havent watched f1 for more than a few seasons.

some of us are old enough to remember when overtaking was an art and and the people good at it were rewarded.

the same can be said for defensive driving if anything the level of skill on an f1 grid has declined since the 90's

This.

arknor · 13 Jun 2011 at 12:23

Skeeter said:
Do you want overtaking or not? Current rules mean without DRS you wont get much. With DRS you get some. Your mystical magic middle ground of no DRS yet loads of overtaking doesn't exist. Get over it. Theres a thread for "it was better in X decade". Take it there. This is about the 2011 Canadian GP!

we saw overtaking at monaco with no drs :confused:

the tyres creat enough opertunity the drs isnt needed.

if a driver is capable he will find a way, the cars can follow each other close enough that its not really an issue anymore...

JB can finally overtake atleast :rolleyes:

Skeeter · 13 Jun 2011 at 12:27

NathanE said:
This.

Oh Hai..

arknor said:
<snip>

And you...

See here:

http://forums.overclockers.co.uk/showthread.php?t=18266266&highlight=skeeter

Close the door on your way out.

KTHXBYE

arknor · 13 Jun 2011 at 12:28

welcome to my ignore list, no point trying to have a discussion with some people.

enjoy your life

Dr Who · 13 Jun 2011 at 12:28

arknor said:
we saw overtaking at monaco with no drs the tyres creat enough opertunity the drs isnt needed.

if a driver is capable he will find a way, the cars can follow each other close enough that its not really an issue anymore...

JB can finally overtake atleast

Ah so you don't like JB and think he can't overtake, got it.

Skeeter · 13 Jun 2011 at 12:30

arknor said:
welcome to my ignore list, no point trying to have a discussion with some people.

enjoy your life

?

Run out of pointless comments? If you want to have a discussion about 90's F1, take it to the 90's thread. If you want to talk about 2011 F1, stay here.

Skeeter · 13 Jun 2011 at 12:34

Dr Who said:
Ah so you don't like JB and think he can't overtake, got it.

I have discovered you have to be able to memorise peoples individual bias to be able to understand their posts some times. I'm considering starting a spreadsheet...

Btw, I don't like Ferrari and hate Teflonso and his "best driver in the world by far" image. But I have never tried to hide that.

Outcast · 13 Jun 2011 at 12:38

What a race..Awesome stuff.

I decided to go to work (I work nights) when it was red flagged but fortunately my missus recorded it all, only missing 5 minutes when the changed channel to BBC2.

Ok.. My analysis

Hamilton/Button incident.

Lewis knows the racing line for that corner, look in front of Button when the incident happens and you'll see Rosberg/Schumacher (dunno which) took that exact same line.

Now Lewis was considerably faster at that point, no two ways about it, but he should've took the other side which would've put him slightly ahead of Jensen for the right hander and Jensen would HAVE to yield.

Lewis's fault, B0rked his own race with his juvenile impetuousness. (Kinda Karma too !!)

Button/Alonso

50/50 <--- Quite gracious of DomellicOREOS to say that's a racing incident as they were having a bad day.

Button/Webber/Schumacher

Brilliant stuff. But in no way could the outcome be attributed to just luck.

They were ALL on slicks and ALL EXCEPT Button, who was blitzing lap after lap, were slipping and sliding around. Jensen even went on the full wet stuff when he passed Mark and went on to make it stick.

Vettel/Button

We knew Seb would crack sooner or later. I don't think it would've mattered who was pressurising him.

Boy oh Boy did I scream !!

So...... Who now thinks Jensen would've won Monaco had there been no red flag coz I sure as hell do !!

Disclaimer.... I is a Jensen Fan !!

Participant · 13 Jun 2011 at 12:43

arknor said:
JB can finally overtake atleast

JB as in the guy that came from last place to win the GP?