Canadian Grand Prix 2011, Circuit Gilles Villeneuve - Race 7/19

PinkFloyd · 13 Jun 2011 at 14:11

Agreed with the Hamilton comments in here really. He needs to drive whilst thinking in his mind "to finish first, first you have to finish"
I love watching him drive but he can't just throw his car down the inside/outside of people every single time and expect to get away with it all the time. Making moves like he does at the end of the race are understandable but why would you take such a risk near the start of a race, in poor conditions on your teammate?

Hopefully he'll come away from the last 2 races with a clearer mindset and know when to play it a little more careful. He's seen over the last 2 races that in 2011 F1 you can't win by throwing your car at the other drivers. (bet he would have loved mid 90s btcc)

el_dazza · 13 Jun 2011 at 14:20

PinkFloyd said:
Agreed with the Hamilton comments in here really. He needs to drive whilst thinking in his mind "to finish first, first you have to finish" (bet he would have loved mid 90s btcc)

I nearly compared him to Frank Sytner but that'd be a bit harsh on Lewis

Skeeter · 13 Jun 2011 at 14:20

Maybe he should always wait for the DRS zone to overtake?

Or would all the DRS haters then just say he has no skill and its all the DRS doing the work

Personally, I think hes fine. Look at Kobayashi. Everyone loves him because hes a tryer. The only difference between Kobayashi and Hamilton is their title chances.

arknor · 13 Jun 2011 at 14:41

Skeeter said:
Maybe he should always wait for the DRS zone to overtake?

Or would all the DRS haters then just say he has no skill and its all the DRS doing the work

Personally, I think hes fine. Look at Kobayashi. Everyone loves him because hes a tryer. The only difference between Kobayashi and Hamilton is their title chances.

sometimes it feels like montoyas blacked himself up ali g style

Borrish · 13 Jun 2011 at 14:49

Skeeter said:
Maybe he should always wait for the DRS zone to overtake?

Or would all the DRS haters then just say he has no skill and its all the DRS doing the work

Personally, I think hes fine. Look at Kobayashi. Everyone loves him because hes a tryer. The only difference between Kobayashi and Hamilton is their title chances.

Or maybe he should at least be close enough to the car in front to properly over-take them? His move on Webber was just careless. Webber even gave him room, Hamilton was just going to fast to make the corner.

To be honest, yes, he might as well. Over-taking with DRS at Canada was so easy I don't see why you'd risk doing anything else.

utajoker · 13 Jun 2011 at 15:06

the papers have gone with how hamilton could have killed everyone and some people at home when trying an overtake.

Borrish · 13 Jun 2011 at 15:07

utajoker said:
the papers have gone with how hamilton could have killed everyone and some people at home when trying an overtake.

Yeah, I think that's a little over the top. He hasn't really done anything dangerous, especially not compared with what people have done in the past.

Skeeter · 13 Jun 2011 at 15:08

Borrish said:
Or maybe he should at least be close enough to the car in front to properly over-take them? His move on Webber was just careless. Webber even gave him room, Hamilton was just going to fast to make the corner.

To be honest, yes, he might as well. Over-taking with DRS at Canada was so easy I don't see why you'd risk doing anything else.

You what?

He had the move on Webber spot on, only he got a bit of understeer and tagged Webber every so slightly. Someone (cant remember who) made the exact same move later in the race, but without the tiny bit of understeer and slight tap, and it was deemed some excellent overtaking.

Participant · 13 Jun 2011 at 15:08

Lucero said:
You're a little bit of an idiot, aren't you.

No you.

Lucero said:
I guess you missed the car that came round and locked up 4 tyres when it saw someone lying on the ground.

Yeah the one that almost came to a complete stop about thirty metres away? Like I said, cry harder.

Skeeter · 13 Jun 2011 at 15:09

Lewis Hamilton is like Facebook, iPads and Linkin Park. Its 'cool' to hate him.

sunama · 13 Jun 2011 at 15:17

Borrish said:
To be honest, yes, he might as well. Over-taking with DRS at Canada was so easy I don't see why you'd risk doing anything else.

DRS was not active when Hamilton was racing.

utajoker · 13 Jun 2011 at 15:18

Skeeter said:
Lewis Hamilton is like Facebook, iPads and Linkin Park. Its 'cool' to hate him.

it is on here atleast.

do we think they will do a mini forum for the build up of the next race with some interviews from button and vettel? mabe a bit more from schui too?

Borrish · 13 Jun 2011 at 15:23

Well he obviously didn't get it "spot on" if he's under steering into the car in front of him?

Skeeter · 13 Jun 2011 at 15:26

Borrish said:
Well he obviously didn't get it "spot on" if he's under steering into the car in front of him?

You can tell the exact grip levels of a wet kerb with a split second glance at 100MPH, can you?

He got a tiny unexpected slide on that caused a tiny touch to Webber. Its just on F1 that can be all it takes.

Tell me this... if Webber hadn't spun, and Lewis had passed him fine, or even with the little tap, would you be calling it a careless overtake attempt from way to far back?

Django x2 · 13 Jun 2011 at 15:43

Robbie G said:
No you.

Last time I heard a retaliation like this, was in a playground, 20 years ago. I assume you're there now?

Robbie G said:
Yeah the one that almost came to a complete stop about thirty metres away? Like I said, cry harder.

30 metres. Yawn, oh dear :rolleyes:

Your rock has lifted itself up ready for you to crawl back under Robbie. Run along now.

ps3ud0 · 13 Jun 2011 at 15:53

Is it me or has Hamilton seemingly reached the peak of his racing skills? Ignoring his poor attitude and looking back over his career he just seemed a far better driver at the start of his F1 career then he does now since winning his championship. I guess its hard to get into F1, but harder to stay at the top of it, so the pressure hes under is immense...

I assumed once he had that first championship he would mature and improve his racecraft, but lately he seems more of a liability when things dont go his way and is quite quick to blame anything but himself (though he does drive for McLaren). Its quite telling that my default reaction to him trying to pass is now more 'will he cause a crash?' rather than 'what a gutsy move'. Hell hes more Sato than Kobayashi looking at his recent performances this season - its all quite embarrassing...

Perhaps some will say its harder to see that improvement since it was already a very very good driver - I still think hes more of a racer than a driver and that his driving intelligence is poor, but F1, as a spectacle, needs him. I just wish he was able to use more of his talent in the right way on track and perhaps also get more of a backbone off it, when it seems decisions are made for him or when events dont unfold his way (loved his Monaco interview

)...

I still think Button has more class than him, he just isnt ultimately as fast as him but I think they are just as decisive as each other.

ps3ud0 :cool:

The Dread Pirate · 13 Jun 2011 at 16:02

Thoroughly enjoyed this race although I wasn't too happy about Schumi being up there but tbh I've never liked him even at his debut race I instantly took dislike to him I think it may be a subconcious reaction to his initials more than anything else.

Skeeter · 13 Jun 2011 at 16:05

Capn' $qu!ff said:
Thoroughly enjoyed this race although I wasn't too happy about Schumi being up there but tbh I've never liked him even at his debut race I instantly took dislike to him I think it may be a subconcious reaction to his initials more than anything else.

You know what, I actually found myself thinking "go on Schumi, be good to see you on the podium". Which is odd, considering I never have and never will like the guy. I think I just like seeing a mix of cars up the front.

Participant · 13 Jun 2011 at 16:05

Lucero said:
Last time I heard a retaliation like this, was in a playground, 20 years ago. I assume you're there now?

This coming from the guy that resorts to:

Lucero said:
Why is it that whenever you post in a thread, it's like the special kids have been let out. It could have been a very serious incident. Sure it was funny in hindsight, but I can promise if that was you, your suit would have been filled with brown stains as your relaxed, previously invaded rectum, let go.

Lucero said:
You're a little bit of an idiot, aren't you.

I was simply illustrating the infantile nature of your replies, sorry I had to spell it out to you. You know someone's struggling for a decent argument, when that kind of tripe is all they can muster :rolleyes:

.

It was painfully obvious that the bloke wasn't going to get run over in that situation, to all but the 'woe is me, back of the hand to the forehead' crowd such as yourself. Why on earth are you referring back to an incident that happened more than 30 years ago under completely different conditions? You seem to feel some kind of affinity or link to the Pryce incident just because you watched it on YouTube or something.

Borrish · 13 Jun 2011 at 16:06

Exactly, which is why there's no need to try such a move on the first corner in the wet. These kind of moves seem to have become acceptable because it's hard to overtake in F1 but every single time you do it you're risking taking yourself off as well as the driver you're overtaking. I don't see why you'd try that on the first lap when to be honest he could really do with just finishing the race, especially when he's been penalised in the last race for exactly the same thing.

He's got a lot of talent as a driver but he lacks patience. I don't think the Senna approach to racing really works in modern F1 and the marshals certainly aren't going to allow it.