Poll: Canadian Grand Prix 2017, Montréal - Race 7/20

[Dup]

Good race but only seems greater after the last two dismally boring races. We're still missing something special.

Felt for Ocon. Perez comment "well he didn't get close to overtake me" is pointless as we know, especially in identical cars, it's challenging to follow let alone overtake. Ocon had an opportunity and they're not racing for the championship. They could have mitigated losing one or two places or at least tried. Perez was a prat tbh. If he was in the championship running I'd understand even if his teammate was ahead of him in points. But that was daft. Especially when FI are best of the rest and have done well to get themselves there. He let pride let the team down.

Max did what only Max could to get a Red Bull in contention to give us an interesting battle up front. Ferrari could have mitigated the damage by pitting under the safety car but didn't react quick enough to the damage clearly seen on camera. I'd sooner Max have a go than play follow the leader. Which it would have been. I doubt there would have been any really battle between the championship leaders. It just doesn't work out that way with pit stop strategies.

 

[drunkenmaster]

Max did absolutely nowt wrong in T1 which is why it wasn't even investigated. Vettel could have given more room but to be fair probably didn't expect Max to be there.

There is a good picture on camera of when the contact is made and at that precise moment Vettel actually had a lot more room on the inside than it looked from the camera and in car shots. Vettel wasn't expecting it and reacted too late when he was there. Ruined the race, lol. Vettel wasn't going to fight Hamilton, Hamilton is another level at Canada, it suits his driving style perfectly. Multiple times he has been catching and then passing a guy ahead while using less fuel and using his tires less against Rosberg.

Vettel without any wing issues would have maybe passed Bottas, maybe not, but probably spent his whole race ahead of or behind Bottas(if the car was good enough he'd have passed, if not he'd have dropped back). As it was he was passing people throughout and had an exciting end. Without the pitstop he would have had as boring a race as Hamilton.

 

[413x]

Great race. My opinion of perez has gone vastly down.

 

[drunkenmaster]

Great race. My opinion of perez has gone vastly down.

Really, that's rather silly. Look what happens frequently in Canada, pit late with a huge difference in tire life and make up the pitstop easily over the last 20 laps. If the team wanted they could have pit Ocon.

However in the real world, if you want your team mate to move over, make a move. He should have been pushing him into the chicane every single lap till the team stopped discussing things with Perez and simply said move over. The best strategy for Ricciardo, Perez and Ocon was a second stop, had they done it they'd likely all have been safe from Vettel.

SKy made it all about Perez and Ocon, they framed it that Ocon would easily pass Ricciardo because of what was a minor tire life difference, 30 lap difference, easy over take, 10 lap.. nope. Ocon had no superior chance to pass Ricciardo and also couldn't show he was capable of passing Perez. When he had DRS and Perez didn't... he failed to pass Perez, in a fair fight Perez won on a worse strategy when he was in the lead. THe team pit him in reaction into a two stop window but forced him onto a one stop pace. The only reason Ocon was close, when Perez was ahead of Ocon before he pitted, was FI screwed him with strategy. When the team screw you and your team mate can't get close enough to even have a look at overtaking any driver giving that up without a fight is a damn loser.

If Ocon had a 25 lap difference, frankly he could have overtaken both, easily, without the team getting involved. People are acting like a 10 lap difference is huge, it isn't. That difference was still there at the end and as said, with DRS vs Perez without DRS he still couldn't pass him.

 

[ScoobyDoo69]

Given that he was riding Ricciardo's rear diffuser for the most of it I think Perez deserved to keep position.

Had Ricciardo made a simple mistake Perez would have been right on through.

Shame to upset your team mate but being let through should only be if you're dealing with a damaged car or similar, not for if your team mate is a tiny bit faster.

 

[Dan103]

Great race, especially towards the end with the two force india cars.

 

[413x]

Really, that's rather silly. Look what happens frequently in Canada, pit late with a huge difference in tire life and make up the pitstop easily over the last 20 laps. If the team wanted they could have pit Ocon.

However in the real world, if you want your team mate to move over, make a move. He should have been pushing him into the chicane every single lap till the team stopped discussing things with Perez and simply said move over. The best strategy for Ricciardo, Perez and Ocon was a second stop, had they done it they'd likely all have been safe from Vettel.

SKy made it all about Perez and Ocon, they framed it that Ocon would easily pass Ricciardo because of what was a minor tire life difference, 30 lap difference, easy over take, 10 lap.. nope. Ocon had no superior chance to pass Ricciardo and also couldn't show he was capable of passing Perez. When he had DRS and Perez didn't... he failed to pass Perez, in a fair fight Perez won on a worse strategy when he was in the lead. THe team pit him in reaction into a two stop window but forced him onto a one stop pace. The only reason Ocon was close, when Perez was ahead of Ocon before he pitted, was FI screwed him with strategy. When the team screw you and your team mate can't get close enough to even have a look at overtaking any driver giving that up without a fight is a damn loser.

If Ocon had a 25 lap difference, frankly he could have overtaken both, easily, without the team getting involved. People are acting like a 10 lap difference is huge, it isn't. That difference was still there at the end and as said, with DRS vs Perez without DRS he still couldn't pass him.

I still think he should have been allowed a go. It could have been put to bed quite early and as both FIs were faster no time would be lost.

At least we would have known

 

[englishpremier]

Great race, especially towards the end with the two force india cars.

Average race for Canada. Great by the standards of this season though.

 

[Dan103]

Average race for Canada. Great by the standards of this season though.

All true there !