Canon 5D MKIII or Nikon D800

An Exception · 1 Jan 2014 at 16:44

D.P. said:
It is actually been noted that a bit like CPUs get better at overclocking the older into production they are, the cmos sensors get better as well and maybe produce lower noise in later models.

That would explain the DF's DXO iso score.

D.P. · 1 Jan 2014 at 16:45

Rojin said:
What is being fabricated on the Toshiba lines will be based on what is technically possible to be fabricated using that tech. Nikon will have designed based on that. Toshiba would make no money building a bespoke fabrication facility selling sensors only to Nikon. Unless Nikon pay them very well of course!

I'm not discounting the fact that some Toshiba tech may be in some of the sensors that have a Toshiba name printed on it but Toshiba don't need to make a bespoke fab facility to create an entirely Nikon designed sensor. Just like TSMC don't make a dedicated facility just for Nvidia as An Exception points out. Silicon wafers are produced and fabbed, there is then some assembly into the packaged chip with the other components (read out lines, power circuitry, filtering etc.). This outer packaging is most likely what the Nikon design has to conform to facilitating easy production with existing facilities at the plant. The silicon design could be anything that is supported by the facility.

An Exception · 1 Jan 2014 at 17:19

nolimit said:
Here is real world example of a RAW file from X-Pro1.
Took this pic at Westfield.

ISO 1600
Raw File

The raws look like they process really well to me in lr5.

Rojin · 1 Jan 2014 at 17:44

D.P. said:
I'm not discounting the fact that some Toshiba tech may be in some of the sensors that have a Toshiba name printed on it but Toshiba don't need to make a bespoke fab facility to create an entirely Nikon designed sensor. Just like TSMC don't make a dedicated facility just for Nvidia as An Exception points out. Silicon wafers are produced and fabbed, there is then some assembly into the packaged chip with the other components (read out lines, power circuitry, filtering etc.). This outer packaging is most likely what the Nikon design has to conform to facilitating easy production with existing facilities at the plant. The silicon design could be anything that is supported by the facility.

Which is all I was saying

(It looks like the D7100 sensor is an updated version of the Toshiba TCM5105 sensor found in the D5200?)

Jase · 1 Jan 2014 at 18:05

I'd love one of these camera, look forward to seeing some of your photo's Ray

An Exception · 1 Jan 2014 at 18:32

This rumour sounds interesting. All I would want is 9 or 11 PDAF points and a fast way to select them.
Perhaps something like this will replace the xpro.

http://www.fujirumors.com/weather-sealed-x-with-better-af-than-x-e2/

Rojin · 1 Jan 2014 at 18:55

An Exception said:
This rumour sounds interesting. All I would want is 9 or 11 PDAF points and a fast way to select them.
Perhaps something like this will replace the xpro.

http://www.fujirumors.com/weather-sealed-x-with-better-af-than-x-e2/

Certainly does :cool:

nolimit · 1 Jan 2014 at 19:20

An Exception said:
The raws look like they process really well to me in lr5.

I find LR5 performance and image quality handling very good. I tested it with Capture One trial and find there is not much in it to make me want move/change workflow.

Raymond Lin · 1 Jan 2014 at 19:39

Makes me want my X-M1 even more.

It'll make the best Instagram photos ever with the wifi built in, to iPad for quick edit lol

nolimit · 1 Jan 2014 at 19:44

Yep, I plan on getting the X-M1 sometime this year to go with the 18mm lens and the 35mm will be on my X-Pro1.

Raymond Lin · 1 Jan 2014 at 19:47

Is the 35mm a full frame equivalent or is that an cropped equivalent?

An Exception · 1 Jan 2014 at 19:49

a cropped equivalent. you would need a 23mm 1.4 to get a similar experience as your 35L on 5d

nolimit · 1 Jan 2014 at 19:50

the 35 becomes 52mm and the 18mm becomes 28. The fuji X series has same 1.5 crop factor as APS-C sensor.

Raymond Lin · 1 Jan 2014 at 19:51

Ah, bummer.

I am not paying that much...it's £800!

It's supposed to be a toy for gods sake lol

olv · 1 Jan 2014 at 21:36

Only the brown one left in stock at Amazon now which is annoying as it's £50 more, I was keen for a cheap one.

Raymond Lin · 1 Jan 2014 at 21:38

olv said:
Only the brown one left in stock at Amazon now which is annoying as it's £50 more, I was keen for a cheap one.

I hesitated, there was 1 left when I first thought about it last night, by the time I was committed it was gone.

But it's okay, I don't mind waiting, as long as it is sent and voucher sent out before end of January in time to buy the 35mm to get that cash back too.

olv · 1 Jan 2014 at 22:49

Which colour did you order?

The bit that concerns me is "Purchases must be made between Tuesday 12th November 2013 and Thursday 16th January 2014" so if I order the silver or black and it's not shipped by the 12th Jan (leaving Amazon 3 days to credit the £100) then it won't be possible to claim the £100 on the 35mm. Decisions, might just go with the brown.

Raymond Lin · 1 Jan 2014 at 22:59

I ordered the Black one.

If it doesn't look like it will then i will cancel and get the X-Pro 1.

An Exception · 1 Jan 2014 at 23:28

used xpro 1's go for around £500 on fleabay.

Raymond Lin · 1 Jan 2014 at 23:33

An Exception said:
used xpro 1's go for around £500 on fleabay.

Yeah, but buying new get £50 cash back and then a free lens.

http://free-xpro1-lens.co.uk/