Poll: Capello quits

Who should be England manager for Euro 2012?

  • Alan Pardew

    Votes: 6 1.8%

  • Arsene Wenger

    Votes: 14 4.1%

  • Carlo Ancelotti

    Votes: 0 0.0%

  • Fabio Capello

    Votes: 7 2.0%

  • Guus Hiddink

    Votes: 25 7.3%

  • Harry Redknapp

    Votes: 129 37.7%

  • Jose Mourinho

    Votes: 49 14.3%

  • Mark Hughes

    Votes: 2 0.6%

  • Martin O'Neill

    Votes: 12 3.5%

  • Rafa Benitez

    Votes: 10 2.9%

  • Roy Hodgson

    Votes: 7 2.0%

  • Sam Allardyce

    Votes: 6 1.8%

  • Steve Bruce

    Votes: 2 0.6%

  • Steve Kean

    Votes: 34 9.9%

  • Stuart Pearce

    Votes: 39 11.4%
  • Total voters
    342
SO I'm wrong, England managers aren't the problem, we have the talent, but you manage to produce a list of England having done nothing for 20 years........ so what is wrong if its not the players?
 
Sooner you WAKE up and realise what English football is all about.

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We created it, we have that 'hing, yet they appoint someone that cant do it, Capello is not daft, he knew where this job was going, FA cant run anything unless its a 39th game in Dubai but under the name of EPL

Capello is a legend, he did what he wanted to do, SA 10 was a joke some of those players should have retired there and then.

Get Rooney to twit something and his wife while we are at it :D
 
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drunkenmaster said:
AS said before, international management is generally a whole different style to club. Sven(to some degree), McClown to no degree at the time and Capello having won everything pretty much all made IDENTICAL mistakes with every team they picked.

I'm not saying that will make Redknapp good, or bad, just you've got three England managers in a row with VASTLY different club level experience/success, and they all got the same things wrong.

In world cups, ex players who have never managed before have gotten teams further than supposedly world class club level managers........ there is a lesson to be learned there. It's not black and white, theres no reason you can't be good at both, but there also isn't any link between success at club level and if that will lead to success at international level.

The first thing the FA should have on their list is, experience with a successful world cup team, if that is managerial or as a player, both are clearly incredibly useful. A successful player with a good team that did well knows what makes a good team, knows from experience what is important in terms of how to motivate a team, how to pick a team, why you sometimes leave a top player out for the sake of the team, etc, etc.
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You're arguing against a point I didn't make. I haven't suggested that club and international management is the same thing at all, I've said I'm surprised that Carlo Ancelotti doesn't feature more highly than Steve Bruce (and for that matter some of the others who have votes) when he's unquestionably a better (club) manager than most on the list.

In point of fact there are only two managers on the list there who have experience with a national team and of them one is the man that England have just got rid of so he's not really an option at the moment. The other one would be my preferred choice if I had anything to do with the selection of the next manager.

My other point was that sometimes success must be considered in relation to the resources you have available, it doesn't necessarily translate into the easy statistical comparison of win:loss ratio. To perform above expectations may still mean you lose more games than you win but considering the paucity of the squad that could be a major achievement. You can view football as purely or even primarily a statistical exercise if you wish but I feel that slightly misses the point and the beauty of the game.
 
cheets64 said:
Where is England, we are a disgrace, we have an amazing league, we produce "talent" so what is going wrong. Why cant England dominate, its sad to see all those European teams winning trophies on the world stage.
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I suggest you read Why England Lose for a good dissection of England's problems. To summarise: England does as well as expected for a country of our population, GDP and footballing history. Countries like Germany and Italy are overachieving.


Oh, and if we're looking for someone English with experience of coaching at international level, why not appoint Hope Powell?
 
If you watch La Liga regularly you will be well aware that every team pretty much plays the same style as each other, to varying degree's of success. Each team does change things slightly depending on their players, obviously you'r going to see more crosses from a team with Llorente upfront then Barca with no recognised striker, let alone tall target man, but the overall style of quick one or two touch passing is the same throughout.

A player is able to join up with the national squad and just play the game as they do for their club.

In England there's so many contrasting styles that we can never hope to achieve the same level of integration.

During the last WC and Euro's all of Spain's players played in spain pretty much, so it will be interesting to see how they fare now with more players playing in England.

In addition, i don't believe our young prospects are often as good as the media want us to believe they are, at younger ages any lack of natural ability is masked by athleticism that is still prioritised by many youth academies throughout the UK because it gets results at youth level.
 
semi-pro waster said:
I'm surprised that Carlo Ancelotti doesn't feature more highly than Steve Bruce.
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he's just settled into psg so can't imagine him being interested.

the majority of our players don't have the basic's sorted out let alone the skill levels to match the best in europe, let alone the world.

as mentioned too many are selected on reputation rather than performance, thing is no manager the FA select will have the guts to drop the rubbish.

to a certain degree i really don't care which players are selected as long as they give 100%, but most of them have long since lost the idea that representing your country is an honour, the fact they get paid to represent there country is a disgrace.
 
Capello was a great and is still a great manager, undermined by the useless FA, and the less than useless morons they call English players.

Get the under 21s in NOW and watch them go from strength to strength.

Rooney doesnt deserve a place either, hes rubbish.
 
How the hell does Harry bung Redknapp get votes ffs ... alll he has done is won 1 FA Cup!

Id also never trust a bloke that threw games and yes I know he has because I made money on them when Pompey got promoted, a couple of non-important games they chucked and people who knew/know Deon Burton made a fair few quid from it.

Yes ive named names and yes if people in authority actually tracked the betting back to those games, then they would find out quite easily... problem is, no one actually wants to show that side of the sport as its rife.

And no not all players are in on every game, as Deon Burton tipped us on another when he was at Brentford under Martin Allen. Im sure it was when they had made or were close to the playoffs, they put money on Brentford to lose. Anyway bookies around here stopped taking the cash after a while as some idiot let it out in a pub and money was being chucked on silly.... anyway all was well until a lad called Jay Tabb iirc came on, he ended up scoring an equaliser and it ruined the bets. If I could dig out the highlights you can see the shock/panic on the faces of those involved cash wise with the bet.
 
Vespasian777 said:
It's pretty obvious we're in deep ****, when Harry is the peoples choice for the position. Absolutely clueless.
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He's not the peoples choice, he's the medias choice and they run english football. Look at how upset they are pearce is even caretaker. Digging up an ince story and that his brother was a member of the bnp. Funny that didn't matter before when he was just the U21 manager.
 
I'd like to give Pearce a try. He was a legendary England player who was a great motivator on the pitch. I think the players would respond to a guy who, for most of them, was a hero when they were growing up.

Harry would be my (very close) second choice.
 
Alpherah said:
During the last WC and Euro's all of Spain's players played in spain pretty much, so it will be interesting to see how they fare now with more players playing in England.
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Probably helps that something like 8 of the 11 play for the same club every week, train and play together every day and week.

Can't remember who said it but some pundit said that Pep basically tinkers with the national team and vicente del bosco learns from this :p
 
dannyjo22 said:
He's not the peoples choice, he's the medias choice and they run english football. Look at how upset they are pearce is even caretaker. Digging up an ince story and that his brother was a member of the bnp. Funny that didn't matter before when he was just the U21 manager.
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The fact that Pearce is a crap manager should be enough to turn people off the idea of him being the next England coach.

His team selections at the last under 21's were beyond useless.
 
I agree, I just don't like the way the media are driving Harry and are obviously upset at Pearce. Instead of saying that they go on about stuff from years ago and irrelevant stuff about his brother.

All of a sudden Harry has become untouchable.
 
dannyjo22 said:
I agree, I just don't like the way the media are driving Harry and are obviously upset at Pearce. Instead of saying that they go on about stuff from years ago and irrelevant stuff about his brother.

All of a sudden Harry has become untouchable.
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They want Harry because he will be great value with the headlines, he is potentially the biggest **** up english international football will ever have.

They either have something massive on him they are sitting on till he gets it, or they believe he will do something mind bogglingly stupid when he gets it.
 
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