Poll: Capello quits

[dannyjo22]

Is that the early 90's golden generation, the late 90's golden generation or either of the two 2000's golden generations?

Exactly take your pick of them all. Who from the lot of them actually played well for England more than a handful of times. I can only think of Neville.

Beckham in 100 caps, did he have 10% standout performances or even 5%.
Scholes
Mcmanaman
Fowler, too fond of sniffing the white line
Owen wrecked
Redknapp, sadly crocked
Butt lol

Etc etc

We seem to only be able to produce semi consistent defenders over the years. People say about playing a english fast paced game but teams get the ball and watch us tire ourselves out chasing it. We then cannot keep the ball.

Teams find it easily to nullify how we play the game.

 

[The Running Man]

Beckham did some great service for england. yes there was the infamous sending ff but some of his play as captain was inspiring really. Im sure he pretty much got us qualified for the euros singlehandedly one time?

 

[Twinblade]

I give up. If that's truly how you believe the top English teams now play you are a lost cause.

I'll put it in laymans terms. What I would honestly like to see when England play is something similar to how Tottenham are playing at their best. God knows we have the players to do it, and do it better than Tottenham. Hart's a capable keeper. England would have a better central defence than Tottenham. Cashley, as much as it pains me to say it, is just about still better than Assou Ekotto. Walker and Johnson are much the same. England have speedy wingers. They have decent ball playing midfielders in Parker and Wilshere and whatever backup you want to take. Take your pick of players to play the Van der Vaart role and stick Rooney up front.

I genuinely believe that if we play a tempo and style that our players are used to playing for their clubs, we will get far better results.

Agree with this totally.

At the end of the day International teams perform better if they follow the same style of play as the clubs the players play for do. Look at Spain, nearly the entire squad is Barca/Real and they play their style of football, hence the seemingly simple way they integrate into the International game.

Whilst I would hate Harry to leave Spurs he is the best English option if the FA deem it necessary to have an English manager. Personally, I'd like to see Guus get a go, he has an exceptional record, and after all, didn't he take an unfancied S.Korea team to a WC semi finals?

However, for now, let's see how Pearce does, it could surprise and work miracles.

 

[The Running Man]

When you lack sufficient quantity of quality, you have to play the best players you can and work a system around them:/

Redknap has typically played a big striker and goes for target men like Crouch, hartson Adabayor. Will he go for Caroll too?

 

[dannyjo22]

Beckham did some great service for england. yes there was the infamous sending ff but some of his play as captain was inspiring really. Im sure he pretty much got us qualified for the euros singlehandedly one time?

One game, one game against greece. He lived off that for the rest of his england career. He never got close to his form for england that he achieved for United.

Much of his effectiveness was due to Neville covering his slow ****

 

[mike62]

One game, one game against greece. He lived off that for the rest of his england career. He never got close to his form for england that he achieved for United.

Much of his effectiveness was due to Neville covering his slow ****

Plenty of games Beckham carried the England team, not just Greece.

 

[Gilly]

Beckham did some great service for england. yes there was the infamous sending ff but some of his play as captain was inspiring really. Im sure he pretty much got us qualified for the euros singlehandedly one time?

No. You can be forgiven for thinking so, but no.

Beckham missed lots of chances in that game. He rescued the point in the end but by not scoring before that he'd been a cause of the problem anyway.

 

[dannyjo22]

Plenty of games Beckham carried the England team, not just Greece.

Such as?

Out of curiosity does anyone know how many times he got Motm for England?

 

[DiCe!]

The VERY simple problem with that being, Capello continued to choose the same players game after game, that Capello or Sven would have chosen.

Capello did NOT HAVE TO CHOOSE THOSE PLAYERS, this is where yours and just about everyone elses theory that the players are completely to blame falls apart. Arsenal/Utd/Chelsea might spend, well theres a good example, 50million on a striker who can't score anymore. They have no choice but to try to get him to play well by playing him as he's getting around 10mil a year to not score either way. England have no such restriction........ player playing crap, bring in a different player.

But then you get excuses of, but who would you bring in instead of Rooney, or Terry, or Gerrard, or whoever, well, if they aren't playing well for England, and infact are playing utter crap, then there are lots of players who could play better FOR THAT SPECIFIC TEAM, even if technically you wouldn't rate them as highly as another player you might drop.


Seriously, look at who Capello did/didn't play with. Johnson and Barry were caught against Germany incredibly badly and easily each time, Barry's reading of the game is poor and his utter lack of pace compounds that. Terry's lack of pace is OFFSET by his reading of the game, not made worse by it. Barry shouldn't have been in the team in the past 5 years, let alone starting, same with Johnson.


Again I'll point out, Capello brought on HESKEY, in the only important game to somehow win it for us. That isn't the players fault, that is 100% Capello's fault. There were probably at least 10 players in the squad who shouldn't be there, and another 5 who simply do not work in that particularly team and set up, that is entirely the managers fault.


As for the question of discipline, what a laughable over reaction by everyone, Fergie has a very different style to other managers, yet, do you see him taking his whole team into isolation for the season, allowing the players zero downtime? There is a far cry between letting them party all night long with all the girlfriends around all the time, and the press, and everyone else, and living in the middle of nowhere with nothing to do and unable to speak to anyone. We went from one extreme to the other, while every other team was sensibly in the middle the whole time.

I find it worrying I agree with almost everyone of your posts, it makes me feel dirty agreeing with a gooner <3

 

[cheets64]

I remember Beckham being average for England, If he was that good why did we never win anything? Seeing as he was the Captain for 6 years!

He had talent but lacked something, remember when he left Man United for Real and he just seemed to coast.

He scored a massive 3 goals in 4 tournaments.

He is loved now, he cant do anything wrong to some people and I can see him being England manager in the future.

 

[drunkenmaster]

Don't forget that just like many other teams, teams that had Beckham in played specifically to Beckhams skills. With England that meant all sorts of ridiculous dives whenever the ball was in a good place for a freekick. Its actually been so long I can't remember if the goal against Greece came from the ridiculous forward flip type dive someone did(Owen or Beckham himself rings a bell) or if that was in another game.

It's the same as Nasri last year against West brom, we lost 3-2, Nasri got too late goals and got hailed, but 90% of the reason we lost was everything going through Nasri and him being woefully **** for the vast majority of the game, even his goals came in the same way hogging the ball, but getting lucky and making two very nice looking goals.

Point is, when you have to put 90% of the attacks through a single player to let that player look good for a few minutes eventually, you're losing out on the other 85+ minutes in a game.

We haven't had the right team for as long as I can remember basically.

Parker was forced into the setup, clearly NOT first choice and didn't go to the last cup.

Again I'll point out Heskey being the option 71minutes into the game that knocked us out of the world cup. Sorry but anyone picking Heskey for a god damned world cup team is having a laugh....... a 6million a year laugh at English fan's expense. But honestly, they deserve to be laughed at, every single person who defends Capello and blames the players....... when he picks Heskey should really understand they don't have a god damned clue what they are talking about.

Even if you want a "big guy to bully the opposition" Heskey hasn't done that for over 5 years, probably closer to a decade, he doesn't use his strength anymore, certainly has no real talent or any goal threat. Zamora and Davies IF that is the type of player you want would be massively more appropriate than Heskey, Rooney puts his weight around(or used to, and more recently than Heskey has) so you could have him fill that role.

The guy was incompetant and Redknapp still has the major thing lacking in every England manager for donkeys years, zero experience with international management. How many ex successful world cup players have managed a team better than club managers with countless titles to their name, quite a lot. Club success has no correlation to international success, international experience has proven to be the most important factor to international management......... so we will no doubt throw ridiculous money for a part time job and someone that lacks the basic requirements for the job.

 

[toon_mad]

Beckham never carried the england team, he was never that good, just overrated and liked by the Media.

 

[semi-pro waster]

I'm slightly surprised to see no love for Carlo Ancelotti in the poll, hell, even Steve Bruce has picked up a solitary vote and I think it's fairly safe to conclude that he'd be utterly hopeless.

While I'm far from convinced that Mr Redknapp would be a good manager I do feel compelled to point out that of the issues some of his detractors take with him concerning his lack of silverware and/or his managerial win percentage not being as good as some others - that depends on your starting position doesn't it? i.e. getting a relatively mediocre club promoted and keeping them in the higher division might be as much of an achievement as winning the league with an already decent team. I'm not suggesting that he's one of the all time greats or anything like that, simply that it might be difficult to compare fairly.

 

[atpbx]

Redknapp will be a disaster for England, just the same pally pally horse**** as MclClaren, and if he doesnt like you it doesnt matter if you go on to score a thousand goals a game at club level, you will never play under him. He would rather play a hatstand.

 

[dannyjo22]

Redknapp will probably pair Carroll and crouch up front

I'd prefer the hat stand to either

 

[Tummy]

Redknapp will probably pair Carroll and crouch up front

I'd prefer the hat stand to either

Hat stand would have better movement then either of them.

 

[dannyjo22]

Hat stand would have better movement then either of them.

Exclusive: daglish to sign hat stand in the summer for £35 million!

 

[drunkenmaster]

I'm slightly surprised to see no love for Carlo Ancelotti in the poll, hell, even Steve Bruce has picked up a solitary vote and I think it's fairly safe to conclude that he'd be utterly hopeless.

While I'm far from convinced that Mr Redknapp would be a good manager I do feel compelled to point out that of the issues some of his detractors take with him concerning his lack of silverware and/or his managerial win percentage not being as good as some others - that depends on your starting position doesn't it? i.e. getting a relatively mediocre club promoted and keeping them in the higher division might be as much of an achievement as winning the league with an already decent team. I'm not suggesting that he's one of the all time greats or anything like that, simply that it might be difficult to compare fairly.

AS said before, international management is generally a whole different style to club. Sven(to some degree), McClown to no degree at the time and Capello having won everything pretty much all made IDENTICAL mistakes with every team they picked.

I'm not saying that will make Redknapp good, or bad, just you've got three England managers in a row with VASTLY different club level experience/success, and they all got the same things wrong.

In world cups, ex players who have never managed before have gotten teams further than supposedly world class club level managers........ there is a lesson to be learned there. It's not black and white, theres no reason you can't be good at both, but there also isn't any link between success at club level and if that will lead to success at international level.

The first thing the FA should have on their list is, experience with a successful world cup team, if that is managerial or as a player, both are clearly incredibly useful. A successful player with a good team that did well knows what makes a good team, knows from experience what is important in terms of how to motivate a team, how to pick a team, why you sometimes leave a top player out for the sake of the team, etc, etc.

 

[Ephemera]

I don't really mind who becomes the new manager as long as they use players that are on form and played in their correct positions. Too many players have been used in poor suited positions instead of playing them to their strengths.

Redknapp would be a poor choice (IMO) but unfortunately most of the England squad seem to want him as the new manager. The only benefit that I can see that Redknapp brings over Capello is an attacking style of football.

 

[cheets64]

Just get an umbrella stand and hat stand and put the money into lower league football, come summer nobody will care who is out for England as long as its hot and we can all have a beer and a chant.

drunkenmaster your post are just stupid, you over analysis everything so much its just laughable.

To say England managers are wrong is a joke

WC 90 Germany
EU 92 Denmark
WC 94 Brazil with Italy finalist
EU 96 Germany
WC 98 France
EU 00 France
WC 02 Barzil with Germany finalist
EU 04 Greece
WC 06 Italy
EU 08 Spain
WC 10 Spain

Where is England, we are a disgrace, we have an amazing league, we produce "talent" so what is going wrong. Why cant England dominate, its sad to see all those European teams winning trophies on the world stage.