Capital One Cup - Second Round ** Spoilers ** [26/27 August 2014]

Moyes had a lot more. He had loads of experienced players, less injuries and a team fresh off a title win.

IMO the trouble is that what LVG is doing now should have been done a year ago, I said when it became apparent that Moyes was out of his depth that the longer he was kept in the job the more damage would be done and the longer it would take United to recover.

Finishing top four was possible last year but Moyes inability to set out an attacking strategy meant that home form was terrible. This has made signing top players much more difficult and hit finances.

He threw away £70m on panic buys which weren't necessarily what United needed but what he needed to take the pressure off himself. This means that LVG has less money to spend and players on long contracts that he may not want.

Then there's the fact that the players have trained with Moyes for nearly a full season and had his ways drilled into them day in day out. It's not like LVG can just flick a switch and undo all of that over night.

LVG has been given a far more difficult job than what he would have had a year ago.
 
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The problem is with Man U fans is that they've enjoyed so much success over the last 20 years that they've forgotten, or not learned about how teams and clubs transition from also-rans to top clubs.

LvG isn't doing the right things and tonight's loss was a big shock. I don't care what anyone says. There were 6-7 international players in the Man U team and they lost to a League 1 side, really, really badly. The league cup should have provided opportunity for a new manager to build his team and develop his players. It'll be a a big disappointment to LvG from that angle. It's also the easiest piece of domestic silverware to win, especially for clubs not involved in Europe.

All this blame game with Moyes is nonsense. The big blame goes to Ferguson and the appalling squad that he rode to the title like a knackered old mare. He flogged it to death and buggered off. As was his right I suppose after 20 odd years. Still his fault though.

Man U also seem to a very unhealthy relationship with Jorge Mendes. Again, part of Ferguson's legacy.

There are problems everywhere at that club, large and small and they ain't getting better. LvG or not.
 
IMO the trouble is that what LVG is doing now should have been done a year ago, I said when it became apparent that Moyes was out of his depth that the longer he was kept in the job the more damage would be done and the longer it would take United to recover.

Finishing top four was possible last year but Moyes inability to set out an attacking strategy meant that home form was terrible. This has made signing top players much more difficult and hit finances.

He threw away £70m on panic buys which weren't necessarily what United needed but what he needed to take the pressure off himself. This means that LVG has less money to spend and players on long contracts that he may not want.

Then there's the fact that the players have trained with Moyes for nearly a full season and had his ways drilled into them day in day out. It's not like LVG can just flick a switch and undo all of that over night.

LVG has been given a far more difficult job than what he would have had a year ago.

David Moyes would not of lost to MK Dons 4-0. I'm sorry but you're obviously blinded by the van Gaal media-circus.

I'm not saying that van Gaal is a terrible manager, but he has been proven to fail at larger clubs - Barcelona and Bayern come to mind.

5-3-2 just doesn't suit the squad he has, he has to change.
 
David Moyes would not of lost to MK Dons 4-0. I'm sorry but you're obviously blinded by the van Gaal media-circus.

I'm not saying that van Gaal is a terrible manager, but he has been proven to fail at larger clubs - Barcelona and Bayern come to mind.

5-3-2 just doesn't suit the squad he has, he has to change.

You could be the best manager in the world and have all the money to spend and you'd not match people's current expectations.
 
David Moyes would not of lost to MK Dons 4-0. I'm sorry but you're obviously blinded by the van Gaal media-circus.

I'm not saying that van Gaal is a terrible manager, but he has been proven to fail at larger clubs - Barcelona and Bayern come to mind.

5-3-2 just doesn't suit the squad he has, he has to change.

Moyes wouldn't have risked a weak team like LvG has done here. At least LvG has now swiftly identified that the fringe players are fairly poor, and the team as a whole were awful as well. Some of them hadn't played together before either, which makes a difference of course.

LvG's ability should not be in question, he's got the freedom to do what he wants here and it's more than likely he'll be a success, or have success to some degree. Thinking otherwise is wishful thinking.

As much as some people desperately want it to be, it's not a big deal. Disappointing and unexpected, yes, huge crisis, of course not.

I agree a different formation is probably wise, and that's what we'll see now.
 
the appalling squad that he rode to the title like a knackered old mare

I laughed so hard at this...:D

We need a gif or photoshop..would be hilarious. Can just imagine Fergie's proper troll face...some whisky in one hand and the premiership trophy in the other, riding on the back of Scholes, Giggs, Vidic, Ferdinand and RVP..

LVG should try Janu up front as well if they go for 4-3-1-2, RVP just won't run the channels, we know Rooney won't do it often. Or you have a bog standard 4 in the middle like Fergie used to have back in the day. ADM left, Janu right. It's such an unbalanced squad.
 
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All these overnight MK Dons fans should take a step back, the next round hasn't been played yet, you could be drawn against a top premiership team!

I bet they're looking forward to that as they didn't get one last night.
 
That lvg has done a terrible job do far? We look hopeless?

There are concerns, but people making large assumptions so far, especially based off last nights game are all equally foolish.

LvG already hinted he'll look at changing his system. I've said all along he's never favoured 3 at the back. It's just what he decided to start off with to see how it went for the players, as we have some weaknesses it may have addressed. So far it's had the opposite effect, the defence don't look more assured.
 
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Well its looked terrible 3 times in a row now is that not a pattern? Clearly our midfield is a disaster and we need 3 cm's to make up for the lack of ability for the other 2?

The whole point of 5 at the back is nit to concede I hate to burst your bubble but we've conceded badly in all 3 games so far.

The concerns are for our league points. The league cup was just another indication of how not to do things.

Do you think our youth teams have been practicing 5 at the back for the past 19 seasons? No. Exactly.
 
Well its looked terrible 3 times in a row now is that not a pattern? Clearly our midfield is a disaster and we need 3 cm's to make up for the lack of ability for the other 2?

The whole point of 5 at the back is nit to concede I hate to burst your bubble but we've conceded badly in all 3 games so far.

The concerns are for our league points. Tje league cup was just another indication of how not to do things.

Do you think our you teams have been practicing 5 at the back for the past 19 seasons? No. Exactly.

I never said it looked good... sigh... I'm not even going to bother. If we won all the games 5-0 you'd still find something to complain about, so whatever.
 
Did we win all the games 5-0 though?

Oh no we didn't win any if them. Something is wrong and it's the utilisation of ours assets

What's your point then? You want him gone because he put out a bad team in a competition that nobody seems to care much about?

The first two league results are bad, yes, but Moyes got a win and draw in the first two games, and look how that ended up?

I agree the system looks highly suspect, but you should only start worrying if we stick with it much longer and it continues to fail. I don't think we will.

I actually can't believe (or well, I can) I'm having to say this.
 
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