Car issues, engine failure.

shifty_uk said:
Gutted for you - It’s easy to say this though^ you could’ve had the same issue with a BMW or Audi. Years ago, the engine on my second car(A3) went at 60k miles and that had full dealer history.
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Not at the rate these go pop though. It's like an inedibility. They sold these crappy engines in some pretty expensive cars too.
 
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shifty_uk said:
Gutted for you - It’s easy to say this though^ you could’ve had the same issue with a BMW or Audi. Years ago, the engine on my second car(A3) went at 60k miles and that had full dealer history.
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No matter how much research you do, you do your, due diligence and check all the history etc. it’s a car lottery at the end of the day.
 
~Divine~Wind~ said:
Ah man hope they get it sorted

My Kodiaq was bought new from Skoda, warrantied thru Skoda, Service plan with Skoda, Extended Warranty with Skoda, MOT and recovery thru Skoda... see where I'm going here?
Car Broke down coming upto about 5 weeks ago now and I was taken Skoda in the vehicle by the Skoda Recovery bloke.

Misfire made EPC come on, car was stopped and not started again, towed to Skoda and left with them.
I was told a few days later that the parts had been ordered and my car would be ready for me coming back from Holiday.
I harassed them on 1 July as we were coming back on 3rd July, car not fixed and no courtesy car.

Apparantly they've already pulled the engine apart, and drained it down completely.
Due to the amount of petrol in the oil they've told warranty I need:

Coil packs, Spark plugs, replacement injector, and whatever ancillaries therein, labour for pulling everything apart and putting back together, full service.

Warranty team appear to be turning their nose up at this, apparantly Manufacturers warranty and the Manufacturers Extended Warranty teams are separate and a law unto themselves lol

I'm away to Edinburgh airport for a flight to malts start of Aug, if I don't have my car back their Hire car is coming with me and being parked up for 2 weeks lol

Hope ye fare better than me @inflames
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Sorry to hear this, hopefully they get it all sorted for you soon.
 
They better haha!

I'm a little antsy about the fact if they fix it the next trip is pretty much from Newcastle to Edinburgh airport.
If it breaks down again (would be third time) on the way there then that's a lot of money wasted on a Holiday :eek:
The longer they have it the more inclined I am to bail on it tbh
 
inflames said:
It appears that my Jaguar XF 3.0D S had a major engine failure Thursday night on the way home. Cruising along doing 70mph, cruise control on, slowed down to let some one pull in front of me to over take a lorry. Pressed resume then as the torque and speed increased there was big jolt and the car shook. Very noisy engine!

Managed to negotiate the round about I was approaching and then pulled over in the next safe place.

Mr AA man, arrived in good time agreed with me that was crank related. In his words “no easy way to this, that’s toast”

Car is now at my local Jag specialist waiting for them to inspect. Wont know the damage for about a month or so as they fully booked up. They did say if the crank has gone they would just replace the engine and trying to locate one can take sometime. The bit I found funny was I had literally booked my MOT and service with them for October the week before.

Luckily the car is still under warranty as I negotiated a 3 year deal on it at the time of purchase. I spoke to them on Friday and they seemed to be very understanding. Told me they cover up to the value at purchase and a labour rate of X. So I might have to pay something towards the labour.

To say my love affair with Jag is now over, is an understatement. Luckily enough my wife doesn’t need her car for the next six weeks. So plenty of time get myself a banger until my Jag sorted.
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Wow, very happy for you that it's still under warranty!
 
3 year warranty on a 10 year old car. This will be one of these 3rd party warrantys like warranty wise. Depending on the "plan" the bill could be excessive thats even if they pay out as a missed service will invalidate these plans as well. Labour rates on most of these plans are well below current market levels uless you paid a premium to increase it.
 
pigeonguyuk said:
3 year warranty on a 10 year old car. This will be one of these 3rd party warrantys like warranty wise. Depending on the "plan" the bill could be excessive thats even if they pay out as a missed service will invalidate these plans as well. Labour rates on most of these plans are well below current market levels uless you paid a premium to increase it.
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Yep that my concern.
 
They're lovely cars but they tend to be cheap for a reason s/h. My dad had one and there was always something wrong with it. I always wanted a Jag XKR but I just can't bring myself to do it.
 
Surprised that that engine has failed in a Jag - I thought it only really failed when in the Land Rovers (due to the extra torque demand at tickover to shift all that extra metal into motion, as well as move the 4wd system).
Yep, the crank will likely have snapped, meaning there's a non-trivial risk of at least some of the pistons having said hello to the valves. It'll likely be toast.

Fully servicing the engine doesn't make a difference sadly; that bearing sleeve can rotate just because it's your lucky day. Fresh or manky oil doesn't change the equation; once its rotated a little, that bearing is then starved of (clean or dirty) oil.
 
blueacid said:
Surprised that that engine has failed in a Jag - I thought it only really failed when in the Land Rovers (due to the extra torque demand at tickover to shift all that extra metal into motion, as well as move the 4wd system).
Yep, the crank will likely have snapped, meaning there's a non-trivial risk of at least some of the pistons having said hello to the valves. It'll likely be toast.

Fully servicing the engine doesn't make a difference sadly; that bearing sleeve can rotate just because it's your lucky day. Fresh or manky oil doesn't change the equation; once its rotated a little, that bearing is then starved of (clean or dirty) oil.
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It fails in both, it might just take longer. It just isn't a very well designed engine. Something JLR simple ignored and kept selling it for years.
 
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Nasher said:
It fails in both, it might just take longer. It just isn't a very well designed engine. Something JLR simple ignored and kept selling it for years.
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I recently (March) got rid of my 2009 3.0D XF-S; certainly knew it was 'a risk' but pretty unlikely in the Jag! Thankfully it worked when I sold it on - the buyer said the engine was going into a Discovery 4 with a snapped crank.

What a shame the engine was just fatally flawed; it was pretty good as diesels go!
 
blueacid said:
I recently (March) got rid of my 2009 3.0D XF-S; certainly knew it was 'a risk' but pretty unlikely in the Jag! Thankfully it worked when I sold it on - the buyer said the engine was going into a Discovery 4 with a snapped crank.

What a shame the engine was just fatally flawed; it was pretty good as diesels go!
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The issue is definitely appears to effect the 4x4’s of Land Rover the most. There are cases with Jaguars, XF and XJ. until the garage does there investigation it’s still unknown what the actual issues is. From my understanding, what the RAC man said seems to be case though.
 
blueacid said:
I recently (March) got rid of my 2009 3.0D XF-S; certainly knew it was 'a risk' but pretty unlikely in the Jag! Thankfully it worked when I sold it on - the buyer said the engine was going into a Discovery 4 with a snapped crank.

What a shame the engine was just fatally flawed; it was pretty good as diesels go!
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I believe the later 3.0d were more reliable in the xf and to an extent the land rovers also
 
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I know a guy that used to do development work at lotus who at the time was working on jlr engines. He said they informed them time again that there were inherent design flaws after can failures and crank failures but jlr refused to do anything due to cost and timescales.

Recently got chatting to another development firm who are doing dev work on jlrs latest engine, jlr have purchased the engine from BMW, but have made some modifications to it and trying to increase the power by a good margin but the engines keep failing, jlr however know different and refuse to accept there's an issue.. the test house just chuckle, warranties incoming
 
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