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Caroline Flack RIP

Discussion in 'General Discussion' started by mysticsniper, Feb 15, 2020.

  1. TonTom

    Gangster

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    Agreed.
     
  2. iamtheoneneo

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    So if someone is physically or mentally abusing their female partner, and there is clear evidence of it occurring, but said partner declines to go to court your all for that are you? I guess the cycle of abuse just doesnt occur in your world?

    I guess it's easy to say when it's a female to male assault ... but the rules still and should apply.

    The dude was LITERALLY screaming down the phone that he felt is life was at risk...

    She had problems yes, but someone's mental health does not excuse them of beating someone with a ******* LAMP.
     
  3. Tom_ed1987

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    It's common for victims of domestic abuse to not want to press charges. I can't believe the flack the CPS are getting in this :rolleyes:. Presumably they should drop every case where a man batters a woman with a lamp & there is clear physical evidence, but she wants to take it no further because 'she loves him'?
     
  4. alchal

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    I'll say this the CPS are an unbelievable joke of an institution...all charges dropped and they go ahead!?

    Having had a family member go through 10 years of hell ,always dropping charges despite the constant beatings and graffiti sprayed over their house they decide to do nothing.

    To top it they finally presses charges after a beating and revenge porn, all evidence of this is on the abusers phone and.....they decide not to press.


    I feel so sorry for all people male and female in these circumstances...the CPS let them down sooooo much its heart breaking.
     
  5. Lord-Jaffa

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    Police get called for anything now, even if your feelings are hurt.
     
  6. Resident

    Wise Guy

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    The CPS is massively inconsistent and that's the issue. It seems if they think the chance of conviction is less than 110% they won't pursue. I've had my own issues with them in the past, despite crystal clear HD CCTV footage, forensics & 2 independant witness statements they chose NOT to charge due to "lack of evidence".

    As a whole, our current criminal justice system isn't fit for purpose. Inept policing, spineless prosecution service and judges/sentencing guidelines that are out of touch with reality.
     
  7. dowie

    Caporegime

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    That isn’t particularly relevant - in this case someone was attacked in their sleep, pretty frightened and the attack resulted in blood all over the mattress.
     
  8. KiNgPiN83

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    I think that if the CPS believed they had enough evidence then going for a conviction is fine. I understand the mental health thing from personal experiences but we still have to be accountable for the things we do. Mental health issues should be taken into account but they aren’t a pass or get out of jail free card. Plus part of any sentence should’ve been that she got some sort of help with her issues/attended some sort of mandatory course. (If she was found guilty of course.)

    I don’t think we need to know everything via the media for stuff like this and even if that isn’t possible, one story would suffice. Not a relentless stream of the same story re-hashed, past misdemeanours being brought up every time a new story comes along etc etc. Not all celebrities choose to be in the limelight and they shouldn’t just be fair game.

    What I will say however is that the whole z list celebrity thing where these apparent celebs say where they are going to be and basically inject themselves into any old story are definitely an issue. People need to stop consuming this dross and stop buying those awful magazines that are just a stream of guff stories. If you don’t buy it, they’ll stop making it.
     
  9. Nitefly

    Man of Honour

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    So here’s the newspaper headlines. As expected... although the Daily Mail’s is a bit weird and almost makes her out to be a failure.... :confused:

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/blogs/the_papers

    Edit - Honestly it I were Kate Middleton I’d be appalled by the front page.
     
  10. The_One

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    Whats wrong with those front pages???
     
  11. dowie

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    Looking at twitter it's like Princess Diana had died or something... bunch of derps all using the hashtag #Carolineslaw

    apparently the press were mean to her by reporting on this domestic abuse (ignoring that the trigger for this seems more likely to have been the CPS's decision to go ahead with the case)

    I'm not quite sure what they're expecting - that the press should not report on the likes of Weinstein etc.. because he's not been convicted , yet? Or is it just a retrospective thing and or conditional on the abuser being attractive/popular etc..?
     
  12. Nitefly

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    I don’t really... for lack of a better word, ‘like’ the way the media pours scorn over those having troubles and then acts all compassionate and solemn when they die.

    That said it’s only the Daily Mail tagline I find odd. “The troubled romantic who never found true love” - errr what?
     
  13. Dolph

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    The number of people, both here and on the wider Internet, who appear to either want to change the progress that's been made in how domestic abuse is handled, or who think this case isn't domestic abuse, is quite shocking.

    With regards to prosecuting when the victim says they don't want to, there are very good reasons why this is the case, mostly stemming from the impact of abuse on the mental state of victims, and the need to protect people from themselves. For reference, the cps guidelines for the prosecution includes plenty of detail, but suggests that if the evidential threshold is met, generally the prosecution should proceed. Use of a weapon makes this more likely.

    https://www.cps.gov.uk/legal-guidance/domestic-abuse-guidelines-prosecutors

    The gender of the perpetrator and the victim are irrelevant, the action (and history of that action with previous partners) is what matters here.

    It is tragic that she killed herself (assuming of course that it wasn't a final act of control, suicide threats and attempts are a surprisingly common form of coercive control by abusers), but it is not a reason to suggest her prosecution was mistreatment or anything of the sort.

    The problem is, those who have never seen or been a victim of intimate partner abuse, don't tend to understand that the abusers don't think or act like normal, rational thinking people, and shouldn't be judged as if they do. With that said, I also hope that those who don't understand never end up in a situation that leads them to the understanding.
     
  14. Lord-Jaffa

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    Oddly enough that's my point, with a 6% conviction rate for crimes, why even bother calling them. The fact it's a male Victim and she had a history of abusing partners just makes the whole thing more of a joke. If it was a male tv host do you think the outcome and opinions would be the same.
     
  15. Lopéz

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    Regardless of your opinions on Caroline Flack specifically, this video is pretty much spot on in my view.

    I think it's a real shame that she committed suicide. All very unsavoury.
     
  16. The_One

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    She was a troubled romantic whats your issue??
     
  17. G-MAN2004

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    And he claims it is not his blood. So we know nothing really...
     
  18. The_One

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    yet cps feel have evidence to convict her and he was screaming down phone to 999 saying shes trying to kill him

    sounds more like he wants to now protect her
     
  19. B&W

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    CPS is full of ****. Don't assume automatically that every action they take is correct and kosher.
     
  20. Nitefly

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    It infers she was some sort of failure and, also, it promotes the fairytale falsehood of 'true love'. I find the latter a bit tasteless. Find your true love or be doomed? Hmm.