But Gerrard is a better passer and a better tackler than Lampard. His ability to create play and movement is much more valuable than his attacking ability imo, especially seeing as Lampard can do the latter role but not the former just as well.
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Where has anyone but you mentioned Lampard on his own in the centre of midfield?hilly said:
Mine is more compact than yours, and France won the WC in '98 by being strong defensivelyhilly said:
Agreed againWeebull said:
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A five in midfield the way i would have it would look thus:
-^------------------------^---
Cole---------------------lennon
-----Lampard-------Gerrard-----
--------------Carrick-----------
I dont understand why Sven cant see this, its staring him in the face, you have two of the most free scoring center mids the Prem has ever seen and he doesnt know what to do with them. or he plays some arse about face coming going, staying, full back, pushing on, Beckham must play no matter what arse.
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Whilst I agree that Lennon could be far more effective on the right than Beckham, Carrick has proved absolutely nothing at this level - he looked crap even against Belarus, even for Tottenham I've not been so impressed with him. He has no experience, therefore playing him as a defensive midfielder will be a big risk, if he plays like against Belarus then the defence have no cover at all which means we have no chance against the better nations.
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Owen? Rooney?deSade said:Lennon IS and should be a sub.
You don't throw an unproven (but talented) school kid into the most important sporting event in the world!
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Gilly said:Where has anyone but you mentioned Lampard on his own in the centre of midfield?
Mine is more compact than yours, and France won the WC in '98 by being strong defensively
Agreed again
All i'm trying to say, is if you compact the midfield since you would only have three, it will perform better, but yet it still has the ability to go out wide.
Atpbx formation does look good, though we know it'll never happen :/
Again though, with only one up front, who else can we play other than Crouch ? Which other player have we got who's in the squad (Bent doesn't count) Who can play on his own and hold the ball up ?
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atpbx said:
I'd second that formation if as you say Beckham could be dropped.
@ the comments of my choice, I thank thee (I think
)Owen came off the bench and practically made Hoddle select him and finished top scorer in the league that year; as for Rooney there was not a great deal of competition for his spot in the team, where as Beckham is arguably the best crosser in the world (Gerrard is the only exception i can think of) best free-kick and corner taker and captain (i know he shouldnt be but he is) and Sven loves him (literally)Gilly said:
As for the formation; i would only play 4-5-1 if Crouch was up top, as i don't think Owen will be anywhere nearly as affective on his own and if they did play 4-5-1 i would still pick Beckham on the right and Carra holding (would have Parker if he was in the squad)
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Its worthwhile if it takes Beckham out of the team.deSade said:Lennon IS and should be a sub.
You don't throw an unproven (but talented) school kid into the most important sporting event in the world!
As has been said already he has no real use in the team without a targetman of a striker.
I think Owen can do the role up front on his own, but he needs Gerrard running at defenders along with Lampard behind him otherwise he will be on his own.
Crouch would be the better bet really (can't believe I just said that) Because we have 2 centre midfielders who can score from anything between the centre of the penalty area to 35yards out.
If only Sven knew how to use his players.
I think everyone who has posted in the thread so far has better knowlage of how to use players than Sven.....
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you cant play owen up on his own, he'll get battered
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It is plausable though you have to tinker your tactics accordingly. Talking about keeping the ball on the ground and actually outplaying opposition for once. With probing runs from Lampard and Gerrard, Owen would be free of the last defender ( in theory ).
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ballistic said:
Yes he had a bad game (self confessed) against Belarus, but hes performed very well in every other game hes played in.
With Spurs I would say 90% of his games have been between good-superb.
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Its this comment that isn't making any sense.hilly said:
In my formation you have 3 actual central midfielders and you have 2 wingers. This would be a better offensive AND defensive midfield than yours with your 3 players who play in the centre when defending and spread out to the wings when attacking :/
I think you've just played too much Champ Man and want to put arrows on Beckham and Cole pointing to the wings
I think you're underestimating how good Beckham can be even without a recognised centre forward. He's a great player with loads of qualities, I hate to sound like Motty, but corners & free kicks - and you'll get a lot of those during the WC.
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Sadly I think your on your own there.deSade said:
His corners and free kicks may be better than the rest of the squad can do. But Gerrard and Lampad in the case of free kicks can cover what Beckham does in a game, leaving space for a winger. Rather than a slow bloke who can cross well
I guess I'm on my own with most England 'A' team players that would rather have Beckham in the team than Lennon.PinkFloyd said:
For ***** sake, Lennon's only a kid. He's a good looking player, but don't rely on the guy - sounds like you're all getting as carried away as the UK press!