Carrying something for self defence

I have a baseball bat in the motor. I've been pulled many times by the cops (mainly due to driving around at silly o'clock in the morning) and not had a single problem because there's also a baseball in there too. ;)

They can't do a single thing if you have both the bat and the ball.
 
that's literally what preparing is isn't it?

having something ready just in case?

Leaving a bat around? I don't see how it falls under the link you provided:

However, if, for example:

having knocked someone unconscious, you then decided to further hurt or kill them to punish them; or
you knew of an intended intruder and set a trap to hurt or to kill them rather than involve the police,

you would be acting with very excessive and gratuitous force and could be prosecuted.

The above are offensive actions, hence excessive. Leaving a bat around, that may be used against someone if the force is appropriate, isn't.

Also a noteworthy case: http://www.e-lawresources.co.uk/A-G-Ref-No-2-of-1983.php
 
Don't carry anything - in the event of an attack often a weapon carried for defence is removed from the defenders possession and then used by the attacker.

I recently started jujitsu which has really opened my eyes concerning weapons. It's very effective against being attacked with weapons (we train with sticks, knives, machetes and guns) but our sensei always says "run if you can". However, it is amazing how many defences end up with you in possession of the opponents weapon.
 
Just seen this thread. It is about proportionality and what a reasonable person would see as, well, reasonable. I honestly don't think someone blatting an intruder with a baseball bat they keep at the side of their bed or next to the door would be prosecuted.
As someone else already pointed out, if the ball or a glove is also there then it becomes an even more reasonable place to keep the bat.

The bit to remember is "I was in fear of my life" because that statement puts a reasonable person into an unreasonable situation as far as a jury is concerned and a conviction for you battering a burglar is far less likely. So feel free to TKO the scrote, just don't jump on his head after he goes down.
 
The number of residents killed in their homes by strangers during the course of a burglary each year is extremely small. Worry about something else.
Professional and prolific burglars have no interest in the massively increased sentences that are doled out for using violence during a burglary. They will run when disturbed; escalating the situation to an armed confrontation is stupid.

To add to the above, most Burglaries actually occur during the day, when you're out working, the kids are in School and likewise at your neighbours. Less chance of encountering the householder.

Actual intruders on, at residential properties at night are quite rare.
 
The number of residents killed in their homes by strangers during the course of a burglary each year is extremely small. Worry about something else.
Professional and prolific burglars have no interest in the massively increased sentences that are doled out for using violence during a burglary. They will run when disturbed; escalating the situation to an armed confrontation is stupid.

To add to the above, most Burglaries actually occur during the day, when you're out working, the kids are in School and likewise at your neighbours. Less chance of encountering the householder.

Intruders on, at residential properties at night are quite rare.
 
I have a dagger lying on my computer desk by my bed, purely because that's where I decided I wanted to store it. Where is the "correct" place it should be for it to be deemed not premeditated?

And I'd say break ins during the night/early morning are on the rise if the number of stolen car posts on facebook and forums are anything to go by, seems to be a large increase in car key thefts.
 
I have a baseball bat in the motor. I've been pulled many times by the cops (mainly due to driving around at silly o'clock in the morning) and not had a single problem because there's also a baseball in there too. ;)

They can't do a single thing if you have both the bat and the ball.

just make sure you grab the right one in an emergency. unless you're attacked by dogs, in which case the ball is probably the better option, assuming you can shout "fetch!" before they tear into you.
 
Has nobody here heard of the art of fighting without fighting?

Bruce Lee is turning in his grave.
 
I recently started jujitsu which has really opened my eyes concerning weapons. It's very effective against being attacked with weapons (we train with sticks, knives, machetes and guns) but our sensei always says "run if you can". However, it is amazing how many defences end up with you in possession of the opponents weapon.

Please run, don't try this stuff in a real situation. People don't come at you in a scripted sequence in real life.
 
I recently started jujitsu which has really opened my eyes concerning weapons. It's very effective against being attacked with weapons (we train with sticks, knives, machetes and guns) but our sensei always says "run if you can". However, it is amazing how many defences end up with you in possession of the opponents weapon.

get a rubber knife, put lipstick on the "sharp" bits, give ti to a mate who has never been to any of your classes.


see how many little red lines you end up with
 
Chainsaw.

It's not actually much use - at all - as a weapon but ain't no thief going to mess with a guy waving a chainsaw about.
 
Just seen this thread. It is about proportionality and what a reasonable person would see as, well, reasonable. I honestly don't think someone blatting an intruder with a baseball bat they keep at the side of their bed or next to the door would be prosecuted.
As someone else already pointed out, if the ball or a glove is also there then it becomes an even more reasonable place to keep the bat.[..]

I have made some rough escape plans in case of a fire in my house, which is something people should do. Part of those plans involves being able to easily and quickly smash a non-opening window so I could easily and quickly get out through it. This requires having something easily to hand in case of emergency that can be used to cause a sizable impact at a bit of a distance, i.e. a club of some kind. Obviously I want this window-breaking tool close to my bed when I'm sleeping - if your smoke alarm wakes you from sleep you don't want to have to spend time looking for the tool you need for your escape route.

Are people actually prosecuted for keeping a bat at home as a potential weapon against an intruder, even if they flat out state that's what it's for? I doubt if there would be much chance of conviction in a jury trial for that.
 
I have made some rough escape plans in case of a fire in my house, which is something people should do. Part of those plans involves being able to easily and quickly smash a non-opening window so I could easily and quickly get out through it. This requires having something easily to hand in case of emergency that can be used to cause a sizable impact at a bit of a distance, i.e. a club of some kind. Obviously I want this window-breaking tool close to my bed when I'm sleeping - if your smoke alarm wakes you from sleep you don't want to have to spend time looking for the tool you need for your escape route.

Are people actually prosecuted for keeping a bat at home as a potential weapon against an intruder, even if they flat out state that's what it's for? I doubt if there would be much chance of conviction in a jury trial for that.

If that is actually a real reason for you keeping a club of some sort next to your bed then ditch it and buy a spring loaded center punch and leave it next to the window. You've got much more chance of getting through it with one of those than swinging a bat around possibly choking on smoke.
 
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