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Cat 11.11

Mr Paul said:
Another FAIL by the AMD driver team, these are rubbish for RAGE.

The only one that work are the 11.10 pre 2 and Pre 3. The official 11.10 and 11.11 drivers don't work!

Its shockingly bad support!
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Its shockingly bad support that they had working Rage drivers within a day, then you upgraded to different drivers and they didn't work, and this is AMD's fault?

People really need to get a clue and REALISE what they are saying.

They don't work on the driver for a day before the release, 11.10 preview 3's have FAR MORE FIXES than the 11.10 officials, you installed OLDER DRIVERS and complained.

You have 2-3 driver teams at AMD working on different things. The 11.10 driver work does NOT start after 11.9 has released, but it will have features in it that driver teams started working on sometimes 2 months, sometimes 6 months before.

When a new game comes out they take the latest build towards the latest driver and tweak that for a new game, this would be your 10.10 preview driver, the name and date is irrelevant.

The 10.10 "official" driver would have been finalise WEEKS BEFORE and be going through validation, testing for bugs and so on. The 11.10 preview will be a NOT TESTED, maybe buggy new fixes build.

People think that a fix that gets put in to something like their rage driver will magically appear in the 11.10 final, this is NOT how it works, it might not make it into the 11.11 final.

Guys work on drivers for months, for features other than just support for the latest game.

The problem is, you had a driver that worked, you don't know how drivers are made or the timescales involved nor the testing involved, you made a completely incorrect assumption, installed a driver that would not be recommended for Rage, then get in a rage yourself.

AMD got it right, YOU got it wrong, you even stated yourself, you have a perfectly good driver for Rage....... that really is where you should have stopped. That's it, a perfectly working driver within I think it was a day of release.
 
drunkenmaster said:
Its shockingly bad support that they had working Rage drivers within a day, then you upgraded to different drivers and they didn't work, and this is AMD's fault?

People really need to get a clue and REALISE what they are saying.

They don't work on the driver for a day before the release, 11.10 preview 3's have FAR MORE FIXES than the 11.10 officials, you installed OLDER DRIVERS and complained.

You have 2-3 driver teams at AMD working on different things. The 11.10 driver work does NOT start after 11.9 has released, but it will have features in it that driver teams started working on sometimes 2 months, sometimes 6 months before.

When a new game comes out they take the latest build towards the latest driver and tweak that for a new game, this would be your 10.10 preview driver, the name and date is irrelevant.

The 10.10 "official" driver would have been finalise WEEKS BEFORE and be going through validation, testing for bugs and so on. The 11.10 preview will be a NOT TESTED, maybe buggy new fixes build.

People think that a fix that gets put in to something like their rage driver will magically appear in the 11.10 final, this is NOT how it works, it might not make it into the 11.11 final.

Guys work on drivers for months, for features other than just support for the latest game.

The problem is, you had a driver that worked, you don't know how drivers are made or the timescales involved nor the testing involved, you made a completely incorrect assumption, installed a driver that would not be recommended for Rage, then get in a rage yourself.

AMD got it right, YOU got it wrong, you even stated yourself, you have a perfectly good driver for Rage....... that really is where you should have stopped. That's it, a perfectly working driver within I think it was a day of release.
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No the driver that sort of works does exactly that,that sort of works (10.10 pre 3). It's not right, textures sometimes disappear completely.

Catalyst maker said all the fixes would be in 11.10 official, they weren't. Textures were all blue.

Now 1 month later the 11.11's are out and guess what more glitches and poor texture management.

AMD have not got it right whatsoever, I have it right by running the best driver I can, even though its not working correctly it's the best option.

All I want to do is play the game I bought 5~6 weeks ago.
 
these new caps completely bone Rage!

i went from using 60% of 1 gpu and having a solid 60fps with everything maxed @ 1920x1200, to having all 3 gpu's with seemingly usage and getting less than 30fps with no AA :/

also get weird pink people and texture popup...

GASH
 
Reading this thread is exactly why I ran for my life from AMD/ATI after many long years of being a very loyal customer to them, all my cards before the GTX 580 were AMD/ATI top end single GPU cards, 1 Matrox and 1 other Nvidia which was a "Hercules Prophet 2 Ultra" and I hated the Nvidia card coming from a Matrox card that had beautiful 2D quality and colours, that Nvidia card cost me £400+ and was the most expensive graphics card I had ever purchased for my home PC (it was so bad I couldn't even get myself to sell it to anyone because of knowing how bad it was, so I gave it to my then girlfriend's kid brother as a Xmas stocking filler, you can imagine his face when he got it, was like all his xmas's came at once, but was great for him to game on because the 3D quality was pretty nice, just it's 2D was terrible and terrible is a very polite word for it) and I swore from that day on I would never buy another Nvidia again and I never did it was AMD/ATI after all that until recently because of their Drivers, their support forums and their driver team that clearly lies to its customers recently when there is a problem.


So sold up my beloved AMD/ATI 5870 to get a card that just works without too much stress and spending half my life installing cap files and driver updates instead of just using it and what I found with every update things didn't get better but worse and if they fix one problem they add 2 more new problems that were not there before or undo some fix that was working great before to make their new fix work (last good driver I remember was 10.3 and after that they all went down hill). I had enough and AMD is on my ban list as was Nvidia in the past, till I see they get new driver writers in and make their cards work as promised im not interested in them. So praying to the tech gods that Nvidia don't end up on my ban list again and their cards stay working without too many problems. So far enjoying the stress free Nvidia GTX 580 Direct CU ii from ASUS, not once has it missed a beat and all games seem to work fine and all my applications behave and operate as they should so far.


Yes I know people have problems with AMD and Nvidia drivers and hardware so i'm not taking sides here i'm just telling you my experience from an ex loyal AMD/ATI user, but i'm now also an ex-fan of AMD/ATI after all the mess with their drivers, love their GPU hardware but hardware is useless without good drivers. You guys are only confirming I did the right thing and any niggling feelings I had about going Nvidia have gone now.. So far a very pleased Nvidia user and sorry to hear you guys are still suffering with these shocking AMD/ATI drivers and the updates to them. One reason the 79xx series is not even on my wish list this time round is their drivers, Nvidia Kepler I hope shows some promise when it is out and no headaches.


I will be waiting atleast 6 months now from day of release of a new GPU before updating to any new card that takes my interest, just to make sure no problems have cropped up with them, the buying on day/week of release is over for me now after many years of buying the best new single GPU that came out. Now i'm going to play the wait and see game, to make sure I don't fall for that mess again. I just want a stable working system with good performance, if it is not stable I could care less about how fast it is, when these companies start to remember that working as designed/promised and stability comes first to people like me then they will not lose people like me as a customer.


Yes I know drivers and games and apps get updates to fix problems, but a whole year waiting for a fully working driver update is not acceptable in my book and the worst part the new cards have come out since then and all their attention is on making drivers for them work so my 1 year old card is ignored or gets less time to get drivers that work well and the worst part is even the new cards drivers are causing the same problems to their users. I think that says it all to me, it's not going to ever get fixed in a manner I want and need so I packed my bags and headed to the Green team which so far are proving they listen to their customers and bring out important drivers fixes very quickly and they work without breaking other things for me.
 
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ashmanuk67 said:
Mmmm so far BF3 is running rather jerky feels if its loosing frames :confused:

Will re-boot comp and see.......
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Well I did not re-boot computer instead re-started the game and felt much smoother?
I only play one. Or two games at a time and they are only ever first person shooters so I don't have a wide range of games to go by.

To Purgatory I understand the move as I have always been on the red side and all I want to do is play my games with no fuss.
AMD are amazing value for the money they do offer allot of power for your money BUT what is the point if you can't play your games as intended :( disregarding BF3 as this game has to be updated too which should stop some of the issues like flashing green lines and I am sure there are some memory leaks as well.

I don't understand how Nvidia can fix a new game but not affect the older games while AMD get it so wrong????
 
as usual installed over top restarted played bf3 seemed a little smoother tbh no issues as normal

as for people raging of ati drivers ive had like two issues ever with ati drivers and thats due to the game being very old i was trying to play
 
ashmanuk67 said:
To Purgatory I understand the move as I have always been on the red side and all I want to do is play my games with no fuss.
AMD are amazing value for the money they do offer allot of power for your money BUT what is the point if you can't play your games as intended :( disregarding BF3 as this game has to be updated too which should stop some of the issues like flashing green lines and I am sure there are some memory leaks as well.

I don't understand how Nvidia can fix a new game but not affect the older games while AMD get it so wrong????
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Yes that was when I started to have enough when they started to break old games just to make some new games work and also the other problems the drivers would show just in normal use of browsers, flash and software that used GPU hardware acceleration, it would just make the system totally flaky in the worst cases. Also I like my old games, so there is no need to break them, we paid for them so want to use them even if graphics cards get updated they should still work and work even better then they did on the old cards, that is the whole point Eg. Crysis is still crying out for a better GPU to this day to really max it out at very decent frame rates. Is AMD telling me when the 79xx cards come out or new driver updates to forget the old games when these updates happen ?

Nvidia seems to manage very well on this department, the other reason I went Nvidia is because I love FSX and that is a really old simulator and yes it worked fine on the 5870 but with every driver update it started to show problems in certain areas.. I invested 100's of pounds on hardware for FSX and addons, I don't want to loose all that investment. There was one or two addons that would not work on the 5870 at all and I thought must be just bad addons and funny enough I tried them on the Nvidia card and they worked :rolleyes:, so all the time I was blaming these addons and it was the drivers for the AMD/ATI card causing the problems.

Another example for you my partner loves Guitar hero games on the PC and we have them all and the Xbox controllers for the game and you guessed, I had to fiddle for hours sometimes with every driver update to make them games work correctly for her and to stay in sync, I had to downclock the core and memory on the 5870 to a certain point to stop the game glitching and going out of sync, they worked perfectly on the 4870 I had before and guess what they worked perfectly on the GTX 580 too without me having to downclock the card or do anything to it, they just worked I was even telling my partner to sell the controllers and games because I was really not in the mood to fight with these games to make them stay in sync for her and not glitch. Again a great example of how the drivers have got so bad on the AMD cards, they blamed the games always on their forums and not one time did they give us a fix for them in any driver or cap that made them work. It's like they turn to their paying customers and say hey it is up to us what runs on our cards and not up to you that paid for it and all the games you purchased.

Anyway I'm now clear of that headache and have a lot more games to install and check before I give Nvidia a total thumbs up, but so far everything I have installed just works and works very well with zero stress.
 
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Im using 11.10 Pre3 with no CAPs and BF3 and Skyrim run fine for me. I don't want to risk running these drivers and breaking something.
 
~>Dg<~ said:
as usual installed over top restarted played bf3 seemed a little smoother tbh no issues as normal

as for people raging of ati drivers ive had like two issues ever with ati drivers and thats due to the game being very old i was trying to play
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What do you class as a very old game ? Some of the games are classics and people want to play them over and over and they paid for that right when they purchased the game. Of all things the older games should run much better on new hardware and this is why we update our cards to make our old games perform and look better and maybe even add more AA and set the quality settings higher in the games. I'm not raging at AMD/ATI but they have failed to deliver a product that can just work without having to mess with it all the time to make it work. Look up on this thread they can't even make new games work correctly and people invest in crossfire and the GPUs don't max out or worse a single card performs better, that is a scam to me and ripping people off for what they paid for, this is why I never went crossfire and sold the 5870 and before I sold it I even was thinking maybe get a 2nd one and just try it, but then I remembered all the problems it causes as a single card because of the drivers and I really didn't want a dual headache with crossfire and its problems to add. The card was fantastic when it worked, but when the driver team kept breaking the drivers (no it was not user error at any point as you see above I have used ATI cards for a long time).

We can talk about this all day mate and all the different good things about the AMD cards and the bad, but reality is the bad started to annoy me to the point I decided to go back to a company I swore never to buy another of their products again. I took a risk going Nvidia that has paid off so far for me and enjoying a stress free GPU again.
 
~>Dg<~ said:
as usual installed over top restarted played bf3 seemed a little smoother tbh no issues as normal

as for people raging of ati drivers ive had like two issues ever with ati drivers and thats due to the game being very old i was trying to play
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Yep i never have any serious issues with ati drivers either.
 
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