Challenging a speed camera ticket due to no "change of speed" sign

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Feek said:
Give me strength.



But you said this…..



So you’ve been shown that there are speed limit signs just before the camera signs, but you say you ignore those signs.

If you ignore them, why did you want to start a petition to enforce them being there?

I haven’t read all the posts since the first one I quoted yet but from your reply to me, I’m assuming you’re still not accepting responsibility for your own actions, and trying to blame everyone else. Is that right?

Because if so, I’m now out. It’s impossible to discuss anything that’s as immovable as a five ton block of concrete. I’m wasting my time here.
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Simple, he wants to start a petition to enforce ignoring camera signs, that he knows are there? :cry::p
 
I asked chatgpt to analyse the thread.



Overall impression of the thread


Aspect​
What happens​
Initial claim
SheffMan insists he was “caught out” because no change-of-limit sign exists on the approach to the A348 camera in Bournemouth.

Community response
Multiple posters (Kenai, Feek, Rroff, others) post Street-View grabs and their own photos showing two normal 30 mph terminal signs plus a large red-bordered NEW 30 mph speed limit board on the very approach he used.

Petition idea
Undeterred, the OP says he wants to launch a Parliamentary petition forcing every fixed camera to have the limit painted or signed directly in front of it so “there could be no argument” about fairness.

Feek–OP exchanges
Feek’s line is consistent: if you drove past those clearly-posted signs and still thought it was 40 mph, the problem is your observation, not the road. He calls the thread “hilarious” because of the OP’s refusal to say I missed the signs; my mistake.

Key admission
After Kenai posts a photo of the “NEW 30 mph” board, SheffMan finally concedes: “We were lost at the time and must have missed that 30 sign at the approach to the roundabout.”

Ongoing stance
Even after that admission he argues the limit is still “vague”, blames information overload, cites crash-map stats, and repeats that non-locals are unfairly targeted.

Tone drift
The longer the thread runs (240-odd replies) the sharper the replies become. Several posters suggest he’s trolling; others tell him simply to pay the fine or take the course.

How SheffMan comes across


  1. Stubborn and defensive
    He spends most of the thread trying to prove the system is wrong even after photographic evidence shows the signs are in place.
  2. Contradictory
    • Early: wants a law to put speed-limit boards exactly where one already stands.
    • Later: admits he drove straight past that very board without noticing it.
  3. ** blame-shifting rather than self-reflective**
    He repeatedly folds his individual oversight into bigger themes—“too many limits”, “locals vs non-locals”, “cash-grab cameras”—instead of accepting the straightforward explanation.
  4. Polite language, but escalating frustration
    He stays civil, yet his posts become longer and more exasperated as others refuse to agree.
  5. Perception by others
    Feek and Kenai regard him as an experienced driver who should know the street-light rule and read repeater signs; their patience wears thin, and several posters conclude the discussion is going in circles.



Bottom line


By the end of the thread the consensus is clear: the signage is adequate and the ticket is valid.
SheffMan’s credibility falters because he:

  • Missed signs that meet exactly the standard he demands, and
  • Keeps arguing process fairness rather than accepting personal responsibility.


Consequently he is viewed as a well-spoken but obstinate driver looking for systemic excuses for a simple, self-confessed lapse of observation.
 
Ha, I came too soon, this thread is pure gold. Thanks @SheffMan, I thought people like you died out, thanks for keeping the fight going :D


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Oh look at that lovely speed limit sign, worrying that there are that many blind people driving.
 
Oh FFS this is getting beyond ridiculous. The OP is even shooting down their own argument with clearly marked speed limit signs.

The pathetic argument that this a cash grab is utterly irrelevant. The speed limit is 30mph and anyone caught going over that limit have only themselves to blame.
 
Actually, to be honest all the talk of signs is irrelevant. This was answered correctly by @Rroff in post #2.

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The following speed limits apply to all single and dual carriageways with street lights, unless there are signs showing otherwise:

30 miles per hour (48km/h) in England, Scotland or Northern Ireland

Given there were no visible (according to the OP's selective vision) speed limit signs, the OP should have known the limit was 30.
 
Haggisman said:
Actually, to be honest all the talk of signs is irrelevant. This was answered correctly by @Rroff in post #2.

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The following speed limits apply to all single and dual carriageways with street lights, unless there are signs showing otherwise:

30 miles per hour (48km/h) in England, Scotland or Northern Ireland

Given there were no visible (according to the OP's selective vision) speed limit signs, the OP should have known the limit was 30.
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It's never worth the risk of assuming it isn't a 30. Especially not in the day time when traffic will be a nightmare anyway.
There is always a 99.9% chance a mobile camera will be lying in wait too, especially in areas like that at busy times!
 
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