Challenging a speed camera ticket due to no "change of speed" sign

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Mountbatten Roundabout (next to the Miller & Carter) is where the speed limit appears to change. It just doesn't tell you.....
Whatever the legal small print I think it stinks.

So you're going from poole lane down ringwood road?

There's a 30mph and camera sign as you enter ringwood road

 
So you're going from poole lane down ringwood road?

There's a 30mph and camera sign as you enter ringwood road

To be fair that's a minute repeater looking like a speed camera sign ! There did not appear to be a big "change of speed limit" sign which is what one would have expected, particularly if there's a soddin' camera there !
Just out of interest, is the "30" on that speed camera sign the same size as the actual (30) digits on a normal repeater ?

If I had been knowingly speeding and got caught I'd hold my hands up, but I was not, that's what is p1ssing me off so much. The fact is if I had devoted 80% of my concentration to looking for speed cameras (or trying to confirm what the speed limit is in the absence of "limit change" signs...) I wouldn't have got caught (that's why many inveterate speeders don't get caught ! ) but that is dangerous surely ? People should be devoting the vast majority of their concentration to avoiding an accident.....
 
Small sample size I know, but driving into Sheff town centre (5m) this evening every speed limit change had one of those full size speed limit change signs.
Every single one.
In fact I cannot remember ever having come across a change of speed limit without one of those signs.
My boy, I was driving him in to his swim squad, was flabbergasted when I told him I had got that speeding ticket on a road that the speed limit had changed with no sign advising of that. He thought I was joking. Come to think of it I still think it must be some kind of April Fool, but it can't be because the "offence" was on the 2nd of April not the 1st !
 
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I cant see a sign on streetview BUT the date of scanning the area is 2 years ago.

You would have to go back there and be sure of it in person before trying to claim there's no signage.

This.

You would need to prove that there are no signs currently there. A 2 year old image will just be thrown out.
 
And if you prove there are no signs, they'll just point at the legislation that says if there are no signs on a road with street lights to indicate otherwise, then it's 30mph...
 
And if you prove there are no signs, they'll just point at the legislation that says if there are no signs on a road with street lights to indicate otherwise, then it's 30mph...

Which is pretty poor when the other side of the roundabout is 40 despite street lighting and a lack of speed limit signs.

At least as per imagery on Google Maps this is the last time I can see there is a speed limit sign https://maps.app.goo.gl/289NbR5nzfe9zjhF6 and I've checked and it is still 40 until the roundabout at the A3049 and still 40 if you go off right instead.
 
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Which is pretty poor when the other side of the roundabout is 40 despite street lighting and a lack of speed limit signs.

That it may be but all you'd really end up doing pursuing that is arguing yourself into the position that you probably should have been treating the 40 as a 30 anyway if there was no signage up :p
 
At least as per imagery on Google Maps this is the last time I can see there is a speed limit sign https://maps.app.goo.gl/289NbR5nzfe9zjhF6 and I've checked and it is still 40 until the roundabout at the A3049 and still 40 if you go off right instead.

Flick street view to the other side of the road and you'll see imagery 2 years newer and those 40 signs have been replaced with 30s.

I think it's 30 all the way from Alderney Roundabout now, through Mountbatten Roundabout onto the A348
 
Flick street view to the other side of the road and you'll see imagery 2 years newer and those 40 signs have been replaced with 30s.

I think it's 30 all the way from Alderney Roundabout now, through Mountbatten Roundabout onto the A348

Yeah I posted an image near the start of the thread showing the current limits - sadly it is an hour and 10 minutes away from me and I probably won't be down there again for months or I'd pop along out of curiosity.
 
Yeah I posted an image near the start of the thread showing the current limits - sadly it is an hour and 10 minutes away from me and I probably won't be down there again for months or I'd pop along out of curiosity.

That image shows the stretch between Alderney and Mountbatten as 40 though, I don't think it is - what is the data source for that image? Is it reliable or some sort of wiki?
 
That image shows the stretch between Alderney and Mountbatten as 40 though, I don't think it is - what is the data source for that image? Is it reliable or some sort of wiki?


EDIT: Doesn't seem to be quite up to date though - it is showing 70 on the Yeovil<>Sherborne dual-carriageway (now 60) and only partially updated with the new limits around Horsecastles in Sherborne, etc.
 
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This.

You would need to prove that there are no signs currently there. A 2 year old image will just be thrown out.
Funnily enough I have been in touch with the journalist from the Bournemouth Echo who wrote the piece back in 2023. He is expressing interest in this potential story and I advised him to drive the route I did and see if there still is not a 30mph change of speed limit sign.

I just want to reiterate that I am not against all speed cameras, nor am I in favour of drivers who know they are speeding then try to get out of it on a technicality.
I am against speed cameras which are being operated where the speed limit could be reasonably considered to be unclear, particularly to anyone not from the area. And a road (particularly a dual carriageway primary route) that swaps from 40mph to 30mph with no large change of speed limit sign could reasonably be included in the latter definition. That just brings the law, and speed cameras in particular, into disrepute.
 
And if you prove there are no signs, they'll just point at the legislation that says if there are no signs on a road with street lights to indicate otherwise, then it's 30mph...
You may well be right, in which I can only repeat what I have just said above : That just brings the law, and speed cameras in particular, into disrepute.
 
And a road (particularly a dual carriageway primary route) that swaps from 40mph to 30mph with no large change of speed limit sign could reasonably be included in the latter definition. That just brings the law, and speed cameras in particular, into disrepute.

Allowing for the possibility that the signs have changed or been removed since 2023, there is a pair of 30 limit signs at the end of Canford Way (which seems to be where you came from) as you enter Alderney Roundabout and then no further signs suggesting the limit changes back up to 40 anywhere between there and the speed camera you encountered.

Those signs were 40s in 2021 but 2023 images definitely show them as 30s.
 
Unless your a bloody idiot you should only ever get caught by unfamiliar area speed cameras.

Unfortunately the state of roads and signage is getting worse. Roads that rely on line and lane marking that are so faint as to be practically invisible are one of my particular bug bears.

Years ago they would put up signage to avoid confusion, now it seems to be the bare minimum.
 
It doesn't seem you're alone in this

Well spotted !

This bit is of particular interest :

Why Was the Change Made?

Authorities are yet to provide full clarity on the reasons behind the reduction, but it’s likely aimed at improving road safety in an area with significant pedestrian and retail activity. Dual carriageways, while designed for faster-flowing traffic, can pose risks in busy urban environments, particularly near shopping centres like Turbary Retail Park.
 
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Allowing for the possibility that the signs have changed or been removed since 2023, there is a pair of 30 limit signs at the end of Canford Way (which seems to be where you came from) as you enter Alderney Roundabout and then no further signs suggesting the limit changes back up to 40 anywhere between there and the speed camera you encountered.

Those signs were 40s in 2021 but 2023 images definitely show them as 30s.
That's weird.
The day before yesterday I defn saw 40mph on Streetview on the exit from Belben Rd onto the A3049. Which reflected the pic on post 4.
Now the Streetview date is still 2023 but it now says 30mph :

 
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