champions league draw

jakeke said:
Last season Silvestre played against Messi at the Nou Camp, as dodgy as Kos and Squillaci have been it can't be worse than that.

Also, Vermaelen might be back in January :)
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Nice edit, but wrong on Vermaelen, I mean he might be back but so far its only "not before January" not a "he might be back in January"

Talbs13 said:
You talk so much crap "DM", it's hilarious.
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Which bit was crap exactly? Where Sol was bad last season when he played, or where Koscielny is feared in the premiership, or where last season we lost two whole games the entire year, Utd and Chelsea, drew with Barca, which is out standard and reliable home form year in year out.

Already this season we've lost to none other than West Brom, Newcastle, Spurs for the first time in eleventy billion years, depending on how the season goes we could well have lost to both City and Chelsea aswell before Barca visit. Home form vs the last decade has been awful this year. We even struggled badly against West Ham, Fulham, Partizan and Brum when in other years those would be big victories, and comftable.

dante6491 said:
And the transfer window. If we can get another CB and a finisher then we might stand a chance.
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Jesus, we have one true creative midfielder in Cesc, everyone else at the club including wilshire prefers to be a withdrawn striker, the only thing we have is strikers, what we don't have are WINGERS. Nasri, Arshavin, Rosicky, Wilshire, Fabregas, Ramsey are all better the further forward they get, what we have is no one whose world class taking the ball from the half way line to the corners.

We have more people who can play as a striker or withdrawn striker, than any other club in the history of the universe, buying more strikers is the single last thing we ever need to do, not least because Wenger plays a 4-5-1 and would stick whoever the new guy was on the freaking wing anyway.
 
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Barca 7 - 2 Us.

Spurs will destroy AC with their pace as well. The smugness is going to be insufferable when they make it through. :/
 
Chelsea and Utd will be business like and stroll through their ties. While Spurs could go either way, it helps a lot that the second leg is at home. I predict an aggregate score of 6-1 or more to Barca, the gunners are going to get slaughtered.
 
Weebull said:
Barca 7 - 2 Us.

Spurs will destroy AC with their pace as well. The smugness is going to be insufferable when they make it through. :/
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Can see it happening quite easily, but unlike Inter, they'll actually play their opponents rather than ignore who it is they are playing, also winning in the league and playing generally well while INter just, aren't at all.

They won't be as much as a push over as Inter, and could win, Robinho/Zlatan will make a heck of a lot more chances against them than a selfish Snjeider and lone Eto'o.
 
Squillaci is experienced in dealing with Barcelona. It's a much better defensive line up (cb wise) than last year. Kos and Squills. If Verm is back then Verm and Squills or Verm and Kos. If neither, Dj is good enough to fit in.

Almunia saved us last year from a 10-0 beating. Fabianski will need to be on his "A" Game.

It's probably going to be Song in DM as usual and probably Diaby in a defensive position or Wilshere. We will then have Cesc, Nasri, Arshavin and RvP leading our attack. Depending on injuries I think we have a much better chance this year than last.

I don't think Chamakh will start or Walcott.
 
@ The spurs fans do you really hold that win against inter as something special?

I work with a spurs fan and he loves the fact they did it.

Me on the other hand can see its not the same team as last season. Same personal but not the same team, you would NEVER have done that last season so to say "Yeah we beat the champs" imo is rubbish.

Arsenal vs Barca should be a good one, favor Barca really player for player they are stronger than Arsenal by some way as well and as a team next level.
Wouldn't be surprised by an upset though.

Copenhagen haven't lost at home in the CL so away leg for Chelsea will be tough hopefully they get their act together.

UTD with a favourable draw though but still away leg will be pretty hard.
 
R5Rich said:
@ The spurs fans do you really hold that win against inter as something special?

I work with a spurs fan and he loves the fact they did it.

Me on the other hand can see its not the same team as last season. Same personal but not the same team, you would NEVER have done that last season so to say "Yeah we beat the champs" imo is rubbish.
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Pfft. Are they the current European Champions? Yep. :)

That and the fact that they were doing fine until they met us. ;)

We sent Liverpool tumbling, and now we've cursed Rafa once more.
 
skippi you should get your head outta your anus at some point and look at the seria A table and you will see that Inter are complete crap, in 7th place atm.
 
Haha, this is going to be even worse than last year. 4-1 in each leg. Their players to once again crowd around Cesc. Wenger to bemoan silly mistakes. Spurs fans not shutting up that they'll have gotten further than us this year.

That loss in Donestk suddenly looks like the deal cutter. Idiot squad.

It's all ok though, we'll have our focus on the Carling Cup. How times have changed. :(
 
Talbs13 said:
Squillaci is experienced in dealing with Barcelona. It's a much better defensive line up (cb wise) than last year. Kos and Squills. If Verm is back then Verm and Squills or Verm and Kos. If neither, Dj is good enough to fit in.

Almunia saved us last year from a 10-0 beating. Fabianski will need to be on his "A" Game.

It's probably going to be Song in DM as usual and probably Diaby in a defensive position or Wilshere. We will then have Cesc, Nasri, Arshavin and RvP leading our attack. Depending on injuries I think we have a much better chance this year than last.

I don't think Chamakh will start or Walcott.
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Jesus and you have the cheek to say I talk rubbish, Squillaci has experience with Barcelona? he was at Sevilla for two years, in both years Sevilla let in 7 goals across two games to Barca in the league, they lost all 4 games, the only scored in one game and still lost 3-2, the other results were 3-0, 4-0, 4-0.

I guess that on some level does make you right, Squillaci has great experience at being thrashed by Barcelona.

As for the defence being much better, for most of the game last year we drew with Barca, Gallas and Vermaelen played together, and the goals were mostly the fault of the midfield giving Xavi a ridiculous amount of space more than anything else.

Sorry but no two we can put out are in the same league as Gallas/Vermaelen partnership. Squillaci, Kos, Djourou aren't even close to as good as the other two, better defensively, you mean losing more at home, letting in more goals at home, last year we had averaged 1 goal a game at home conceded, this year we're at 1.25, so 25% more, we've also had a very easy time at home so far and made a meal of it, losing 3 times as many games so far.
 
I expect to get beaten by Barca but really looking forward to the games again. Be nice to see Messi break his leg late January, that might give us a shout:p

And for god's sake AC, kill the Spuds game off in the first leg please.

Nice to see DM cheering me up with his extremely optimistic view again. I do wonder of he's watching the same Arsenal that I do sometimes. Only one creative midfielder? Yeah, right DM, of course:rolleyes: And if you'd rather have Bendtner (who basically has never looked like he gives a stuff) playing instead of Chamakh (who is having a slight dip in form after an excellent start to the season) than you need your head examining. According to the papers today Bendtner could be off on loan to Everton, I hope so anyway.
 
reefoid said:
I expect to get beaten by Barca but really looking forward to the games again. Be nice to see Messi break his leg late January, that might give us a shout:p

And for god's sake AC, kill the Spuds game off in the first leg please.

Nice to see DM cheering me up with his extremely optimistic view again. I do wonder of he's watching the same Arsenal that I do sometimes. Only one creative midfielder? Yeah, right DM, of course:rolleyes: And if you'd rather have Bendtner (who basically has never looked like he gives a stuff) playing instead of Chamakh (who is having a slight dip in form after an excellent start to the season) than you need your head examining. According to the papers today Bendtner could be off on loan to Everton, I hope so anyway.
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Try to use some comprehension, Arshavin is a withdrawn striker, prefers the position and plays better there, Nasri plays infinately better as a withdrawn striker with all his best play in/around the box, Theo, please don't tell me you need that one explaining, Wilshire, again his prefered role is WAY up the pitch, Ramsey, gets forward and gets into the box.

NONE of them are creative wingers, all of them prefer to be scoring or in/around the box rather than on the wing, and all of them are 10 times better as strikers than as wingers.

You can put, Drogba or Anelka on the wing, doesn't make them bad players, still doesn't make them midfielders either.

We have eleventy billion creative withdrawn strikers being played anywhere but their favourite position, I neither said they weren't good enough to play for us, nor were bad in any way, they are great players. I merely questioned the logic of buying another creative "bergkamp type withdrawn striker who are crap out wide" to play in a team playing a single striker and who would also be pushed out to be a winger.

Nasri and Arshavin are NOT wingers, and they aren't close to better than Fabregas.

I'm assuming you, like so many other fans, are ignoring the fact Bendtners played 4-5 games, scored, 3 iirc, was instrumental in two other goals being scored(making the right run and getting ahead of the keeper, preventing the keeper coming out and both resulted in goals that wouldn't have happened without him making those runs). He's been excellent in every game and has changed games for us. Chamakh isn't having a dip in form, he was fantastic for 10 games and hasn't been bothered since, also known as the Adebayor syndrome(or SWP, or Crouch, or,..........).

You might also just remember that he scored one and set up BOTH the other goals against BARCELONA. SO thats the single best team we played last year, and without him none of the three goals would have been scored. PErfect pass for Theo for the first, great header and smart header to Cesc, most would have gone for goal on a ball with zero pace. He scored the first away in the Nou Camp after a horrific pass from Theo absolutely screwed him and he got up off the floor before the keeper and tapped it in. He was outstanding in both games and the only reason we came out of the ties with even a shred of dignity.
 
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drunkenmaster said:
Jesus, we have one true creative midfielder in Cesc,
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drunkenmaster said:
NONE of them are creative wingers, all of them prefer to be scoring or in/around the box rather than on the wing, and all of them are 10 times better as strikers than as wingers.
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Well in your first post you weren't talking about creative wingers, you were talking about creative midfielders which was the point I was making. I agree we don't have creative wingers, but that's the way we play. I'm not sure creative wingers would do us any favours with the way we play.

Anyway, creative midfielders don't need to play deep. If you don't think Wilshere and Nasri are creative midfielders then I really do give up with your posts.

drunkenmaster said:
SO thats the single best team we played last year, and without him none of the three goals would have been scored
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That's impossible to quantify. Who is to say that if Bendtner hadn't of played then we wouldn't have scored? That's a bit like saying if Park hadn't played on Monday we wouldn't have lost.
 
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