Champion's League Final **Will include spoilers**

Murf said:
Are you reading what people are posting? If the ref had allowed play to continue it's a booking for Lehman and the goal stands. It's a red if the opportunity is denied, it wouldn't have been as Barca scored.
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I am. Are you?

The offence is to deny an opponent a goal scoring opportunity, which Lehmann did, whether the ball rolled to someone else or not. It's not to deny the team, its the player.
 
the referee has himself admitted that he should have awarded the goal and given a yellow card to lehman. If he had given the goal there would have been no point to red card him.
 
ARSENAL F.C.
END OF SEASON DINNER DANCE
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Egg on Face
Seasoned Hash
Frogs legs (past their best)
Spanish Surprise (well beaten)


Main course
Humble Pie
Chump Chops
French (has) Beans
Manager's Beef (not rare)
Catch of the Day - big lemon Sol (gutted)
NB: everything is imported, nothing is home grown.


Dessert
Sour Grapes (may be hard to swallow)
Fruitless Tarts
Raspberry Fools
Hard Cheese


Drinks
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French Whine
Cabernet Empty 2006
Champagne - sorry none ordered
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NB: drinks should be consumed from glasses as there will be no cups this year.


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Sorry but i thourght it was funny
 
BaZ87 said:
ARSENAL F.C.
END OF SEASON DINNER DANCE
Starter
Egg on Face
Seasoned Hash
Frogs legs (past their best)
Spanish Surprise (well beaten)


Main course
Humble Pie
Chump Chops
French (has) Beans
Manager's Beef (not rare)
Catch of the Day - big lemon Sol (gutted)
NB: everything is imported, nothing is home grown.


Dessert
Sour Grapes (may be hard to swallow)
Fruitless Tarts
Raspberry Fools
Hard Cheese


Drinks
Bitter
Little Spirit
French Whine
Cabernet Empty 2006
Champagne - sorry none ordered
STRICTLY NO DOUBLES OR TREBLES

NB: drinks should be consumed from glasses as there will be no cups this year.


Guest speaker:
Rafa - "What it's like to win the European Cup"


Please note that the club’s European Tour for the season 2006-07 is not guaranteed.

Sorry but i thourght it was funny
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haha :D
 
Murf said:
Are you reading what people are posting? If the ref had allowed play to continue it's a booking for Lehman and the goal stands. It's a red if the opportunity is denied, it wouldn't have been as Barca scored.
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I agree with that and it was a red for certain albeit a shame for Arsenal and the game itself.
 
Admiral Huddy said:
I agree with that and it was a red for certain albeit a shame for Arsenal and the game itself.
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Yep. It's either red and free kick or goal and yellow. The ref would have been right either way. Most would argue though (and he's admitted himself) that he should have let play run for a couple of secs to see if Barca scored.

Andi - If play is allowed to continue and another goal scoring opportunity arises it essentially nullifies the first one. Barca scored so Lehman did not deny them a goal scoring opportunity, it just took 3 seconds longger to arrive.
 
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the Arsenal open top bus reversing into the garage


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pure evil some folks ;)




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Murf said:
Andi - If play is allowed to continue and another goal scoring opportunity arises it essentially nullifies the first one. Barca scored so Lehman did not deny them a goal scoring opportunity, it just took 3 seconds longger to arrive.
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Where does it say that in the rules? It says to deny an opponent a goalscoring opportunity, not the opposition team. Thats what he did. Thats why he was sent off. Advantage should also have been played, allowing the second opportunity, and the goal.
 
An 'opponent' could apply equally to a team or a player, it doesn't say the opposition player after all, surely?

Besides, how many times have you seen a striker lift it over the keeper and score only to be clattered by the on-coming keeper? Shouldn't that technically be a sending-off for the keeper as well as the goal, as the striker could have kept going and lamped it into the goal on the line if he hadn't been brought down?

I think the ref was technically right although he should have played advantage that's within his discretion, his view may have been obscured so he blew when he saw the foul and had to stick by it. Send of Lehmann + no goal or goal and a booking I reckon, either one would have been the 'correct' decision IMO.
 
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If you look at Law 12 though, the bit under sending off, point 4 is "denies the opposing team" rather than point 5 (the one that applies here) that states "an opponent". Not the opponent, or the opposition, but "an opponent", meaning one of their players.

If the players lifts the ball over the keeper, then the keeper taking him out hasn't denied him a goalscoring opportunity.

In this case, the player was denied his opportunity, then the ball rolled free to another player who took advantage of his opportunity and scored.
 
andi said:
I can't think of a time when the decision has needed to be made.

Doesn't mean that its right though. The rule is, he should be sent off.
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Okay, so now that the ref has said he should have let the goal stand and then give the keeper a yellow, does that mean that as he is a ref he doesnt know what he is on about and thus should loose his ref'ing status??? He is a ref (albeit a bad one) he knows what he is doing, and Lehman would not have got sent off if the goal had stood. All refs would do exactly the same.
 
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leaskovski said:
Okay, so now that the ref has said he should have let the goal stand and then give the keeper a yellow, does that mean that as he is a ref he doesnt know what he is on about and thus should loose his ref'ing status??? He is a ref (albeit a bad one) he knows what he is doing, and Lehman would not have got sent off if the goal had stood. All refs would do exactly the same.
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All through the thread people slagged him off for his decisions, now he says something which suits Arsenal and people think he knows what he's talking about?

If you don't believe me, read the links I provided to the rules books. It's very easy to understand, and it clearly states its a red card offence.
 
andi said:
All through the thread people slagged him off for his decisions, now he says something which suits Arsenal and people think he knows what he's talking about?

If you don't believe me, read the links I provided to the rules books. It's very easy to understand, and it clearly states its a red card offence.
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I thourght it worked they way your saying but then i saw this;
GBB said:
Acctually, you're right, found this on premierleague.com:

Q: An attacker is clear on goal and is brought down by the keeper. However, the ball falls to another attacker who subsequently scores. If the Referee had deemed the original challenge a foul, denying that player an obvious goal scoring opportunity, but played an advantage to allow the other attacker to score, should the goalkeeper then be sent off?
Peter Bousfield, Solihull

A: No, you should not send the goalkeeper off as the offence is to deny a 'team' an obvious goal scoring opportunity not just an individual. You should caution the goalkeeper if you think his action was reckless.
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Surely thats enough proof, it gives the exact situation that arose yesterday and what the outcome should/would have been.
 
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