Champions League Spoilers 21st/22nd Feb

Burned_Alive · 22 Feb 2006 at 13:05

Frosti said:
Did we buy Lampard or Terry with Romans money?

No, but they wouldnt have stayed without it.

Gooner14 · 22 Feb 2006 at 13:08

To be honest without RA money Chelsea would more than likey not exist. Were they not a few hours/days from going under?

Naan_H · 22 Feb 2006 at 13:09

Frosti said:
Who has been Chelsea's most consistant players and pretty much embody the club at the moment: Lampard and Terry

Did we buy Lampard or Terry with Romans money?

But you have bought other players like SWP who would be playing week in week out at any other club, just buying to stop other teams getting the same players.

TrueBlue · 22 Feb 2006 at 13:11

we werent that bad that we were going under, but its was looking like we would have to sell the likes of Gallas and Lampard before RA arrived.

Burned_Alive · 22 Feb 2006 at 13:13

TrueBlue said:
we werent that bad that we were going under, but its was looking like we would have to sell the likes of Gallas and Lampard before RA arrived.

Yeah you were, it was all over the news. Without a buyer chelsea would've gone into liquidation. Terry was halfway out the door as well, both Arsenal and Liverpool had made offers i believe.

Stag · 22 Feb 2006 at 13:14

lemonkettaz said:
stresses the point england will own the world cup this year.

all the foriegn players are just lazy and poor form. our english players are coming leaps and bounds

I was cheering on the team with the most english players in, shame they lost.

You could argue England have the best players, now all we need is hope that they can play well as a unit. I'm not holding my breath.

TrueBlue · 22 Feb 2006 at 13:16

Yeah you were, it was all over the news. Without a buyer chelsea would've gone into liquidation. Terry was halfway out the door as well, both Arsenal and Liverpool had made offers i believe.

Paper talk, the debt was bad, no argument there, but we were not going to fold form it, especially as we had just qualified for the CL, banks wouldnt of shut us down with that cash cow hovering over us.

Mr_L · 22 Feb 2006 at 13:17

Burned_Alive said:
No, but they wouldnt have stayed without it.

You can't be sure though. Mourinho has had a positive effect on their careers and that’s helped them become two of the best players in the league.

Burned_Alive said:
Well it does, the fact remains that if Chelsea had not been bought they would more than likely be looking at a relegation battle rather than a title challenge, if the club still remained at all. So the revival, primarily, is down to the cash injection, anything else is secondary.

No it doesn't. Yes, the revival was down to having some cash but as I said, cash doesn't guarantee success.

Burned_Alive · 22 Feb 2006 at 13:22

Mr_L said:
You can't be sure though. Mourinho has had a positive effect on their careers and that’s helped them become two of the best players in the league.

No it doesn't. Yes, the revival was down to having some cash but as I said, cash doesn't guarantee success.

Well, as ive said Terry was already on the way out before the buyout occurred and it'd be fairly safe to say Lampard wouldnt stick around. Without the money, Mourinho wouldnt have come, so thats irrelevant.

And it does, where would they be without the cash? As i said, the money is the primary part of their success, without that none of the rest (players, manager, trophy, insert whatever you want here) would've followed.

wassap · 22 Feb 2006 at 13:34

Somebody mentioned skill and Chelsea in the same breath earlier, what a load of twoddle, chelsea may score goals and concede sod all, but they certainly arent an enjoyable side to watch, they play effective football which gets results.

Manc & gooner sides in the last few years have been a joy to watch, cracking and sometimes astonishing football, i just cant say the same about chelsea.

That said i like JM he is a great character and is in the same mould as fergie,shanks et al imo.

Mr_L · 22 Feb 2006 at 13:36

Burned_Alive said:
And it does, where would they be without the cash? As i said, the money is the primary part of their success, without that none of the rest (players, manager, trophy, insert whatever you want here) would've followed.

Why does it overide my point?

My point was that buying expensive players doesn’t guarantee success. You seem to be confusing this with me saying that cash didn’t help.

Weebull · 22 Feb 2006 at 13:40

Can someone correct something for me please?

After Liverpool won the CL and came 5th last season, and UEFA let both them and Everton into the qualifying this year, they said they wouldn't allow that to happen any more. But did they change it so that you HAD to come in the top 4 to qualify from now on, or do the winners now get an automatic spot and 4th place would lose out?

Burned_Alive · 22 Feb 2006 at 13:40

Mr_L said:
Why does it overide my point?

My point was that buying expensive players doesn’t guarantee success. You seem to be confusing this with me saying that cash didn’t help.

Because that wasnt your point, you said:

"Chelsea have only won the title by buying the best players is just silly to me. It's helped but it didn't guarantee it."

I agree that buying expensive players doesnt guarantee success, in Chelseas case though everyone seems to say the money helped tip something they already had to success, when in their case it bought them everything.

Weebull said:
Can someone correct something for me please?

After Liverpool won the CL and came 5th last season, and UEFA let both them and Everton into the qualifying this year, they said they wouldn't allow that to happen any more. But did they change it so that you HAD to come in the top 4 to qualify from now on, or do the winners now get an automatic spot and 4th place would lose out?

Winners now get an automatic spot and 4th place loses out.

Weebull · 22 Feb 2006 at 13:44

Ah OK, I completely got it wrong when I corrected my housemates last night then.

Mr_L · 22 Feb 2006 at 13:46

IIRC The top two teams in the PL get automatic CL football and the third and fourth team have to qualify for the group stage. However, if a team in the PL wins the CL and finish outside the qualification places, then the FA can nominate the team that won the CL to take the place of the fourth place team.

The only reason we had five teams in the CL this season is because TNS offered to have an extra qualifying game with Liverpool. That was mainly becuase the FA and UEFA kept pointing the finger at each other.

Mr_L · 22 Feb 2006 at 13:49

Mr_L said:
Saying that Chelsea have only won the title by buying the best players is just silly to me. It's helped but it didn't guarantee it.

Mr_L said:
My point was that buying expensive players doesn’t guarantee success. You seem to be confusing this with me saying that cash didn’t help.

It was my point.

Burned_Alive · 22 Feb 2006 at 13:52

Mr_L said:
It was my point.

Well we're talking in the context of Chelsea, so your point is irrelevant.

Mr_L · 22 Feb 2006 at 13:54

I don't know if I should laugh or cry.

Burned_Alive · 22 Feb 2006 at 13:57

Mr_L said:
I don't know if I should laugh or cry.

Cry.

Dtab · 22 Feb 2006 at 14:03

Mr_L said:
IIRC The top two teams in the PL get automatic CL football and the third and fourth team have to qualify for the group stage. However, if a team in the PL wins the CL and finish outside the qualification places, then the FA can nominate the team that won the CL to take the place of the fourth place team.

Yep thats right,UEFA have dumped it firmly in the FA's court now.The FA have to ask for the holders to have a place at the expense of the 4th league place team. http://www.uefa.com/newsfiles/19071.pdf look at section 1 .I don't know what the FA's stance is on this

Mr_L said:
The only reason we had five teams in the CL this season is because TNS offered to have an extra qualifying game with Liverpool. That was mainly becuase the FA and UEFA kept pointing the finger at each other.

Didn't work like that.EUFA gave Liverpool a place,but said they would have to go through the whole of the qualifying process.It was just chance that we happened to draw TNS in the first round -who had offered to play a 'pre-qualification' knockout fixture with us for the right to use TNS' already earned entry slot