Change to MM access after 1st January 2024

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MrRockliffe said:
I think @Feek, or another admin team has mentioned before that a significant number (paraphrasing here) of bad sales are from members who have not participated/contributed to the forum sufficiently.


Hence by automatically revoking their access, they hope to reduce the number of these users selling items.


Some, of course, will post more regularly, but this may also reduce the likelihood of them scamming/poor comms.




I am getting fed up with this entitlement and whingey attitude though (not aimed at you).


The mods are being pro active and trying something. If you don’t like it, tough.


It is literally 15 posts every 90 days for goodness sake.
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Very curious why people who've been on the forums for a long time. But recently only active on MM would be statistically more likely to scam people than other users of MM. That seems incongruous.
 
Disapointing but i can see why its been done, just a shame i have just concluded a purchase and im unable to follow it up in the thread.
As others have said, im more of a lurker, im not as active as i used to be when i was overclocking or building projects etc
I wont be posting more to get access, i havent got anything interesting to say!
 
OspreyO said:
Very curious why people who've been on the forums for a long time. But recently only active on MM would be statistically more likely to scam people than other users of MM. That seems incongruous.
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It’s not always people who have been here a long time, nor is it always an intention to scam.


Might have someone who has been here a while, doesn’t come here much anymore.


Posts something for sale, misrepresents the condition, and becomes problematic after the fact as they don’t check in regularly.


Or someone who posts 1000 times just to gain access to the MM, with no intention of adding value to the rest of the forum ever again.



MM access is a privilege, not a right. A privilege given to those who add regular value to the forum.

This is the most important thing to remember IMO.
 
MrRockliffe said:
It’s not always people who have been here a long time, nor is it always an intention to scam.


Might have someone who has been here a while, doesn’t come here much anymore.


Posts something for sale, misrepresents the condition, and becomes problematic after the fact as they don’t check in regularly.


Or someone who posts 1000 times just to gain access to the MM, with no intention of adding value to the rest of the forum ever again.



MM access is a privilege, not a right. A privilege given to those who add regular value to the forum.

This is the most important thing to remember IMO.
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Would they not attract constantly poor feedback in that case.
 
OspreyO said:
Would they not attract constantly poor feedback in that case.
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Not necessarily. If they haven’t previously misrepresented something, for example, they may not have any negative feedback.

Or, different people have different expectations. The lacklustre communication may not be a problem to a buyer, until something goes wrong.
 
OspreyO said:
Very curious why people who've been on the forums for a long time. But recently only active on MM would be statistically more likely to scam people than other users of MM. That seems incongruous.
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I'd imagine someone who is getting involved and spends their free time on here posting is less likely to do something that will get them banned. On other hand someone who's not used the forum in ages might see an opportunity to sell a crappy item as getting banned won't change anything for them.
 
In gobsmacked at the sense of entitlement and also, and I can't dress this up, the number of ridiculous reasons as to why people can't contribute. I've not built or overclocked a computer since at least 2008, I couldn't even name a CPU socket being used today. It hasn't stopped me from contributing over those 16 years.

I'm also of the opinion this will reduce scammers in the MM. The members market on paper is a more risky place to do business than eBay. Unlike eBay, you don't have to provide your address or contact details (you're encouraged to exchange these during a deal on the MM) and there's no behemoth of a business to refund you at their cost if something truly goes south. However, it's often repeated that people prefer to sell on the MM due to perceived less likelihood of being scammed.

We either have just very honest people on this forum by miracle luck or perhaps people value their membership to the community here to not lose access by scamming people.
 
Mekrel said:
In gobsmacked at the sense of entitlement and also, and I can't dress this up, the number of ridiculous reasons as to why people can't contribute. I've not built or overclocked a computer since at least 2008, I couldn't even name a CPU socket being used today. It hasn't stopped me from contributing over those 16 years.

I'm also of the opinion this will reduce scammers in the MM. The members market on paper is a more risky place to do business than eBay. Unlike eBay, you don't have to provide your address or contact details (you're encouraged to exchange these during a deal on the MM) and there's no behemoth of a business to refund you at their cost if something truly goes south. However, it's often repeated that people prefer to sell on the MM due to perceived less likelihood of being scammed.

We either have just very honest people on this forum by miracle luck or perhaps people value their membership to the community here to not lose access by scamming people.
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Entitllement is everywhere not just here on game modding forum its "modders don't deserve to get paid/get recompense for their time and effort" followed by "why hasn't this been updated/this author sucks/wheres my mod(s)?". Its endemic apparently. If I told them what I really thought of them or their "requests" I'd be banned from the site.
 
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MrRockliffe said:
Not necessarily. If they haven’t previously misrepresented something, for example, they may not have any negative feedback.

Or, different people have different expectations. The lacklustre communication may not be a problem to a buyer, until something goes wrong.
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If someone hasn't previously had a problem or been reported thats (at that point) a one off. Not a pattern of behaviour as suggested.

Any ways whatevers.
 
bayo000 said:
I'd imagine someone who is getting involved and spends their free time on here posting is less likely to do something that will get them banned. On other hand someone who's not used the forum in ages might see an opportunity to sell a crappy item as getting banned won't change anything for them.
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If they are a frequent user of MM as claimed they would have that to lose.
 
Tephnos said:
That gives zero reason why they're changing anything, just that they are.
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Our rules also state the following:

Once you have access, we expect you to continue participating in the other forums outside of MM. If it is noticed that you only post in the MM area then this may be raised with you. If you no longer participate in the wider community outside of MM then we reserve the right to remove your access.
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Up until now, this has always been a manual procedure but as from today, the 1st January 2024 this is automated.
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That sounds like a reason to me :confused:
 
LuckyBenski said:
It's as if you can't read. It really is.

Which explains why you have posted about 20 times in this thread alone, today.

What's mental is even the frothingest of complainers are posting more across the forums than they were before
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I can only ask the question, I can't understand it for you...

You seem to be complaining about people posting more often...
 
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