Channel 4 - Skint

Bear said:
yet his twin brother is very intelligent, they really are opposite ends of the spectrum which I find very odd as genetically they should be the same.
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That's why I don't believe it's genetics and it's mostly social conditioning

Largely I think it's more about where you take influence from in your life and some of us are just luckier than others getting the right influences.
 
I didn't watch it, but it sounded like your fairly standard exploitative nonsense. DANCE FOR US, POOR PEOPLE, AND WE SHALL LAUGH AT YOU.
 
Bear said:
Everyone has varying abilities and that is perfectly normal. We have a friend and her other half is a twin. He is as thick as a plank of wood, yet his twin brother is very intelligent, they really are opposite ends of the spectrum which I find very odd as genetically they should be the same ?
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Nature/nurture. Clearly there's been enough difference in their upbringings to bring about differences in their apparent intelligence.
 
Vonhelmet said:
Nature/nurture. Clearly there's been enough difference in their upbringings to bring about differences in their apparent intelligence.
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It would have to have been drastically different but according to them they both were close as twins tend to be and grew up together in the same enviroment, school etc.
 
Bear said:
It would have to have been drastically different but according to them they both were close as twins tend to be and grew up together in the same enviroment, school etc.
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Also depends on friends, work colleagues, television shows they may watch (Lord knows if you watch Geordie shore your brain turns into a lettuce...), also what books you read / other media like newspapers can play a huge role.

What influenced me most was books / internet / friends not really my parents to be honest.
 
If it's not about a TV program, then why did you title the thread 'Channel 4...' and mentioned when it was on? If you wanted to start a thread about the lifestyle then you should've created the thread appropriately.
 
this part of the forum is nowhere near as good as GD, all the classic names would be appearing out the woodwork by now *Cough* Dolph.

This is like bringing a classic music CD of Tchaikovsky to a RnB festival.

Too much calm here, we need some fat beats dropped Yolo.
 
CREATIVE!11 said:
this part of the forum is nowhere near as good as GD, all the classic names would be appearing out the woodwork by now *Cough* Dolph.

This is like bringing a classic music CD of Tchaikovsky to a RnB festival.

Too much calm here, we need some fat beats dropped Yolo.
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Did you feature on the show or something? :p
 
Bear said:
It would have to have been drastically different but according to them they both were close as twins tend to be and grew up together in the same enviroment, school etc.
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It clearly didn't have to be drastically different, given the results that you have. Unless there's something you aren't seeing in the nature, like one guy is literally brain damaged, it can only be down to the nurture, given that as you say they are genetically identical. It would be unscientific to reach any other conclusion.
 
Vonhelmet said:
It clearly didn't have to be drastically different, given the results that you have. Unless there's something you aren't seeing in the nature, like one guy is literally brain damaged, it can only be down to the nurture, given that as you say they are genetically identical. It would be unscientific to reach any other conclusion.
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It's also more complicated, as the historical binary view ignores epigenetics - along with the propensity for a minor few differences in experience during the key developmental period which can result in two drastically different people.

Even if you did start with two identical individuals at the point of birth, nobody is going to have an identical upbringing (seemingly minor differences at an early age can result in different requirements - in which for one child these were met & another they were not).
 
Vonhelmet said:
That's my point. The subtle differences in nurture are clearly enough to make a big difference in intelligence.
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Yup, I was agreeing with you :p.

It's the link between nature/nurture, it's a two way relationship - as experiences while inutero or during early childhood can influence phenotype/gene expression (iirc), which changes the "nature" element - then aside with all of that you get the nurture element (with genetic differences changed the requirements for an individual to flourish).

I'd say we all have the capacity to contribute to society, but we all need different stimulus to achieve it (for simplicity by contribute I mean fit into our standard capitalist social model).

Our current one size fits all education system/culture doesn't really take into account the different requirements for each person & as a result leaves a portion of the population on the side-line (which it then brands as "lazy scum").
 
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