So now being poor is to blame as well?
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Check Your 4090's 12vhpwr Connectors To Make Sure They are in Pristine Condition
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So now being poor is to blame as well?
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Doesn’t matter. nVidia are supplying the adapter. If it’s poor tolerance/design, is the user to take it up with the factory that made the cable? It would be up to nVidia to sort it out with the manufacturer of the adapter.
If you bought a brand new car and a part is faulty. You wouldn’t expect the car manufacturer to tell you to speak to Bosch or whoever made the faulty part. You’d take it back to get sorted.
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The quality of his electricity supply is probably poor, not him, ffs, if he bought a 4090 he is not poor is he
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If you bought a new car and instead of putting petrol in the fuel tank you sprayed it all over the back seats then you would call that user error. Corsair are saying it's users not inserting the connector far enough e.g. incorrect installation method.
If the 12VHPWR connector is designed or manufactured in such a way that extreme care is required inserting it then there should be a big warning to this effect.
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Again. Nvidia's adapters have two different types of power connectors. 12VHPWR and PCIe.
Only one type is melting.
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So only one type is not being inserted all the way?
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There are tons of guides and instructions for installing GPU's that say "make sure the power connector is fully inserted and the tab is engaged", even for pcie power connectors, it's like the most basic thing they teach in DIY building guides
My 3080fe has the slim connector and pcie adaptors, they are all fully engaged with no gaps, I'm not sure why some people seem to not be doing this
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That's the claim. Users who are able to connect all the other components of their PC's become incompetent the moment they touch the 12VHPWR connector.
Maybe competent users are plugging in the PCIe side of the adapter, then leaving the room and letting one of their house pets finish the build?
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To be fair, there are professional build companies that ship out PC's with badly inserted power cables, you only have to watch gamers Nexus pre-built reviews. If people who do this all day everyday as their job can mess up then pretty sure home builders building possibly their first computer will definitely make this mistake.
Right great, so because you can connect your slim connector or whatever, other people are doing it all wrong
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I don't doubt that users make errors. That's not the issue. How a given part responds to user error / manufacturer defects is the issue.
There are 3 to 4 times as many opportunities for "user error" / defects on the PCIe side of these adapters, yet we don't have a megathread with pictures of the connectors on that side of the adapter melted.
"User error" should be happening far more on the PCIe side of the adapter, (And probably is) but the PCIe side isn't failing in the catastrophic manner that the 12VHPWR side is.
I suspect the difference in rate (and manner) of failure between the two different connectors on these adapters is that one adapter is designed to within an inch of its life in this application and the other isn't.
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Single point of failure is far more likely to cause an issue, the other side has some redundancy
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Being me is brilliant, yes.
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If by "redundancy" you mean a group of 150w-rated connectors can pull more than their rated power without issue when one of them fails, yes. That's the point.
The 150w-rated connectors can actually handle more than 150w. That's how a good design works.
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There were never any issues with the slim connector on ampere, though. It just pushed on and that was it. I certainly don't recall people having issues with burning connectors on the 30 series. The fact there is issues on the 40 series pretty much says the connector is the issue if it suddenly needs all this care and attention to plug in right.
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It could be some defects in the adapters (with Ada), but I also think it could be that we are finally testing the spec with Ada's power draw.
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There's no real reason why they even had to use these, what was so wrong with using 2 or 3 pcie connectors? They got flack with ampere because the connector was annoying to hide out of the way, you'd think they would have either switched back, or possibly routed the power connector to a better location like the back of the pcb or something? They just seemed to switch for the sake of switching, was there any real technical need for it?
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multiple connectors is a cludge, its not good engineering, the new connector was actually released by pci-sig, its not "nvidia's" connector, intel are releasing cards in Jan using it
I don't honestly know how people are not pushing it in all the way, but given all the attempts at destructive testing by JayZ, GN, Igor etc. but when pushed all the way in they've not managed to get it to burn, even with all these theories about bending and broken solder.
I personally wouldn't have an issue buying another GPU with the connector, just not a 4090 as the price is stupid.
If the connector is designed for up to 600w safely when pushed in all the way, then yeah maybe cards running 300w had enough head room for people to do a crap install and still not suffer a problem
I have done the "pc not working because of loose connection" thing in the past, so I am pretty OCD about pushing connectors and making sure the connector is latched on
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So the moral of the story is, people here like to write huge paragraphs to look like they are right, but it won't fix the issue that nVidia sucks ball bag this time round and most people will happily buy Radeon.
Sucks for those who bouhgt one, RMA, get a refund whatever, do what you can, but to argue over it is silly, leads nowhere.
Sucks for those who bouhgt one, RMA, get a refund whatever, do what you can, but to argue over it is silly, leads nowhere.
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