Ched Evans
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Being on licence happens to most prisoners. He is still serving his sentence, just out in the community with restrictions and conditions. It isn't anything new.
I am just amazed at the backlash Evans is getting when compared to the likes of Hughes, Tyson etc.
It's an odd one because obviously the other guy in the room didn't get convicted but, on the flip side, you hear stats all the time about the number of rapes taking place compared to how few convictions so some evidence that we don't know must be rather strong to send him to jail in the first place?
I appreciate that objectively he probably should be allowed to play; he's done his time inside as per the law of the land. However, I'd be amazed if he does ever play for an English club again due to the PR and it does somehow feel... 'wrong' to have him playing football again? I think it's because rape is such a vile crime.
The point of having an unclear line is so that it can be shaped by what is unacceptable by society at that time. Would I agree drink driving is bringing the profession into disrepute - yes - does it warrant a permanent ban then no. Lee Hughes yes in my opinion what he did would warrant never playing professional football again. All of those examples would be grounds for a teacher or a nurse to be stopped from working permanently or for a period. Like I said though never going to happen the FA is weak they showed that with Terry.
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How about they let him play again but he donates 90% of his wages to Rape Charities?
Absolute rubbish. You might not consider them to be (as a grown man), but they are.
Go and spend time in play grounds and talk to kids, they idolise footballers and that extends to knowing about them off the field.
Players frequently make up part of the community side of the club's image too, visiting poorly children in hospital and doing events with young fans.
Might be a bit awkward doing this PR work if you're having your kids photo taken with a rapist or someone who's killed two children eh?
'Do gooders' or people who do not want their club to be associated with a rapist. A company might not think that their sponsorship of a club that employs such a person is a good PR move either, your logo on the shirt of a rapist.
It is not all about money. It is about far more than that. The rape debate that this has opened up, with some horrible comments from people within the sport and outside.
As has been said, there is no issue in Evans looking for employment, I do not think that any club should sign him, they are under no obligation to. I do not think that the FA should allow any player who has committed a serious criminal offence that carries a prison sentence to play professional football again (extend this to FIFA).
There are other employment options for Evans.
Any club that signs him are going to be in for a fan backlash, whether that be their own or fans of other clubs. It's going to be a PR disaster for any league club.
Something does stink about the case, I don't see (from what I know of the case) how he can be convicted yet his mate gets let off. Unless she's somehow gotten more drunk in-between 'rides'.
Either way, he has apparently shown no remorse, or admitted guilt. He hasn't served his time, only the custodial element of his sentence.
I'm sure he's more than capable of finding work outside of the public eye, ala other rapists who now cannot be certain professions such as doctors, or policemen etc.
Something does stink about the case, I don't see (from what I know of the case) how he can be convicted yet his mate gets let off. Unless she's somehow gotten more drunk in-between 'rides'.
Either way, he has apparently shown no remorse, or admitted guilt. He hasn't served his time, only the custodial element of his sentence.
I'm sure he's more than capable of finding work outside of the public eye, ala other rapists who now cannot be certain professions such as doctors, or policemen etc.
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As mentioned previously, in his eyes he has done no wrong, which is terrifying, thinking about if this has happened before, or if this sort of behaviour is considered normal among him and his friends. The backlash the girl has faced is beyond terrible too, a victim of rape, one of the absolute worst things any person can suffer is being vilified, what sort of messages does that send out to other young women who have suffered the same, this woman made it to court and had to recount this ordeal and there are many women or people who do not even make it that far and they all must see this and it must scare them about speaking out.
Evans has done no wrong in his eyes which is why his rehabilitation has failed in my opinion, he has no remorse, and should still be behind bars in my opinion.
Evans has done no wrong in his eyes which is why his rehabilitation has failed in my opinion, he has no remorse, and should still be behind bars in my opinion.
Can't say I disagree.
No, he shouldn't play top flight football anymore. He's a role model, a public figure who represents an organisation everytime he puts on a shirt. Yes he's served his sentence by law but it doesn't wipe away his history or change what he's done. I'm all for him seeking employment, just not as a public figure.
If I was him I wouldn't even bother trying to find a club in England that would accept me. Instead I'd go abroad and try to work my way back up the ranks in lower divisions or change my career altogether.
If I was him I wouldn't even bother trying to find a club in England that would accept me. Instead I'd go abroad and try to work my way back up the ranks in lower divisions or change my career altogether.
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This case fully splits public opinion to be honest.
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He cannot work abroad.
Just because they're in the public eye it doesn't make them role models. It's up to the parents to educate their children that these men are not good role models. Do you think everyone who kids like are good role models? Lady Gaga, Miley Cyrus, all these drug taking, criminals that litter our TV and are in front of our kids everyday? Get real, it's the media that tell us they're role models. They are not, the majority are anything but. Kids can idolise their skills on the field but that's as far as it should go and it's up to the parent to try and enforce that.
They are role models, Evans has played international football. Parents should, could blah blah. Parenting is subjective and individual, should do things and don't. Children look up to these people, they become heroes for them, they follow them, collect merchandise bestowed with their name, copy hair styles, fashion and attitudes, norms and values.
I have never mentioned other role models; nor the merits of those role models and the merits of footballers as role models, just that they are, so please don't insinuate that I have or am of that opinion
.Footballers, pop stars, actors et al, are role models and it's silly to suggest otherwise. My opinion on those roles models is not really anything to do with this, but to deny that they are role models is very silly. It is part of the socialisation of children, specifically secondary socialisation, in which these role models, people in the public eye/media and entertainment have a role in socialising children, these people (footballers, pop stars) regardless of merit do become role models and figures to be idolised by young children.
Children are as intelligent as they are impressionable.
Agree 100%. I was the biggest football fan in the world as a kid but I can safely say that I've not been influenced by any action from any footballer, certainly not one off the pitch, in regards to becoming the person I am. In fact a recently retired Liverpool player got up to no good at a Liverpool Christmas party when I was fairly young, which made pretty big news and I was completely oblivious to it until recently. Kids that are at impressionable ages won't have a clue about what Evans (or whoever else) has done off the pitch and the ones that are older and do know, it's the responsibility of their parents to ensure their child doesn't grow up to act in a similar way.
It's my parents and other family and friends that's have influenced me, not any footballer or celebrity. It's just a cop out used to excuse bad parenting.
As for the original question. I can't decide. To be honest I don't know enough about what's he's been accused of doing to pass too much judgement but the headline charge of rape I think is deplorable and deserves any punishment that that comes. The flip side to that is that he's always maintained his innocence and no matter how unlikely it may be, to further punish him for something he might not have been guilty of would be wrong. Again, without knowing more details about what happened it's difficult to say.
I will say one thing though and that, as has been said already, the single reason he's not found a new club yet has been because of the media attention. There are countless examples of where other players have walked back into clubs after committing crimes because there hasn't been the publicity as there has in this case. Football clubs and their sponsors have little morals, they only care when the medial jump on their backs.
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