Child sex trafficking ring found guilty

Pakistani community

Well you had me fooled considering you've been banging on about "Muslims" in pretty much all your replies.
Not sure what you are supposed to be inferring here, but in this case the culture of the Pakistani Muslim community is relevant. Like I said I would have liked to include the Pakistani Mormon community, but they were out of town.
The very least you could have done...
It took me ages to find, possibly over 5 seconds, a pity Goggle doesn't work for you.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b0183jpb
A bit odd that you didn't watch it I think.

There are thousands and thousands of mix raced marriage between English girls and Asian men.
Maybe there are somewhere in Bradford according to you, I only have your example of two couples vs my none. My point was this isn't encouraged is it?
Sorry but white girls were targeted, just because you managed to find ONE Asian girl doesn't prove anything.

Where do i begin, there is no culture in the world where it is culturally OK to rape white girls
Where do I begin?

Oh let's pick a random Imam for his thoughts on raping white girls
http://frontpagemag.com/2013/dgreen...o-be-raped-arrested-for-trying-to-rape-woman/

Do you want all the Muslim rape stories from Sweden? I'm not sure we have time to go through them all. Nothing ever happened in Sweden before the party people arrived.

Back to the random-Imam game, let's pick Salafi Sheikh Yasir al-Ajlawn
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2013/apr/3/islamic-cleric-decrees-it-ok-syrian-rebels-rape-wo/

Next random Imam, Muhammed al-Arifi also on raping Syrian women
http://www.newsmax.com/Emerson/fatwa-rape-Syrian-women/2013/01/10/id/470865

Actually to save me the bother, Google 'Muslim Rape' for me, there are 41 million hits, mostly Imams spouting off about how the Quoran allows the raping of non-muslim women.

Oh dear, that sort of makes it awkward for the Pakistani Muslim community to pretend there is no culture of raping white girls, when their own spiritual leaders keep popping up to say its fine, ouch, burn...
A bit like the Arch Bishop of Canterbury saying it's OK to rape Asian girls - oh wait, he never said that did he? That'll be because Western culture isn't quite so misogynist I guess and Christianity has been through the reformation to bring it into the 21st century. Unlike Islam of course, which is still as backward as ever.

Exactly there is racism within all communities; to even suggest that ALL S Asian communities are racist towards white people when it comes to marriage is ridiculous.
No there isn't, my point was the racism is one sided, it isn't even an issue for any other white grouping. Not to mention the issue of a Muslim woman not being allowed to marry a non Muslim man
http://islamiclearningmaterials.com/mixed-marriages-islam

In fact google "mixed marriages" if you are still denying the issue.

It’s what you wrote along with your attention to ethnicity that is racist.
The entire subject relates to one specific ethnicity only to the extent it defines a culture. You can't assume racism just because someone uses a defining word more than once, that would be a weird way of looking at the topic.

No these were your thoughts based off the documentary, not the thoughts of the documentary. Lets get that right first off.
You know this how?
Stop pretending this problem doesn't exist because it does.
Even politicians who are normally too scared to mention race are speaking out
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/ukn...grooming-scandal-following-Rochdale-case.html
"In terms of group grooming, there is an ethnic dimension to this which is Asian men and white girls, and that has to be faced by the Asian community. "


Let’s say hypothetically the majority of vulnerable girls in the UK were Asian, do you think such thing would cease to exist because these Asian men would be culturally obliged to treat fellow Asian girls with respect or would they continue to satisfy their sexual need or financial prospects, with these majority Asian girls. I think the later.
I think for a variety of reasons Asian girls rarely enter the care system, they can't even intervene to stop forced marriages or honour killings or domestic violence, the joys of a closed community I guess. Except the old acid in the face thing, hard to cover that one up I guess.

Especially when you consider your point is busted by the prostitution/rape/paedophile problems in S Asian countries including India/Pakistan.
Yes a massive rape problem in India, not helped by the usual misogynistic culture and a totally corrupt police force. Are we supposed to infer something from this? I know it supports my position, I'm not sure about yours.

Where is your source that Pakistani men use prostitute disportionately?
There is a history of use going back to 1960 along with the first immigrants, given that it is illegal in every Muslim country it is still rampant. Unless you exclude temporary marriage, Nikāḥ al-Mutʿah which is just a neat way of sleeping with prostitutes but still pretending one is a good Muslim (got to hand it to Islam, there is always a neat way to do anything you want but still be right with Allah, kill people - sorted, sleep around - sorted, take slaves - sorted, sleep with children - sorted. It's like a religion for people who can't be bothered being religious, awesome :cool:)

Unfortunately I doubt there would be official statistics on such an activity, but if a criminal group is willing to traffic children solely for Asian clients requesting white girls, then I'd guess it is a popular and profitable service.
Otherwise they would just use the prostitutes of legal age I'd imagine?

Interesting that white abusers like Savile are indiscriminate in their choice of victims, whereas in this case(s) the victims were mostly white and underage. I think this also points to cultural influence, in that marriage is generally to younger women and that non Muslim whites are not considered equal (even to the extent of having a prerogative term, kafir)

Secondly "white" people use prostitutes, since they could date why do this still use prostitutes?
Because they can, reduces social tension, reduces incidents of rape. A bit like drug use in prison, illegal but tolerated.


I’m sure a few paragraphs up you said this wasn’t about religion but culture, make up your mind "I'm discussing culture here" The same could be said to you, it’s easy to blame immigrants for your own problems, maybe you should sort out your own house first
It always was just about culture?
I'm not blaming immigrants for anything, I'm pointing out the social problems inherent in a culture, which are consistently and knowingly ignored by the members of that culture.

We (as in the British culture) didn't ignore the abuses by the Catholic community, we ignored their attempts at covering it up, we dragged them all out into the open, we had every one of them fired, we investigated every complaint going right back to the 1970's and we had the Church pay compensation to everyone involved.
The title 'Catholic Priest' which was once trusted is now a byword for paedophile, it will take them a hundred years to repair the damage if ever.

Savile's name is mud and he's dead, all 300 cases are investigated.
The abuse in children's homes generally bankrupts the owning company and everyone is sent to jail, even if it happened in 1963.
Sun readers are so keen to kill child abusers that they mistake paediatricians for paedophiles.


The Pakistani community just ignores the problem, and that is the sad difference between the two cultures. One which you consistently deny exists (...predictably)

"Mohammed Shafiq accused elders of the Pakistani community of "burying their heads in the sand" on the matter of sexual grooming. He said that of 68 recent convictions involving child sexual exploitation, 59 were of British Pakistani men and it was a significant problem for that community. He said the actions of criminals who thought "white teenage girls are worthless and can be abused" were "bringing shame on our community."
 
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Nationality by Birth is a nonsense. It is essentially a feudal concept (The Monarch/Lord can claim "Ownership" of anybody born on their lands) and has no place in the modern world where feudal serfdom is outdated and mass travel over vast distances is routine.

Nationality by Blood makes much more sense. If that seems a bit tribal then so be it!

Now, I hear you say, how does that apply to immigrants (Which there always have been) Well, IMO,

Historically, All tribal cultures have had mechanisms by which "outsiders" can become members of the Tribe (A Man called Horse) I have no problem with a modern equivalent.

But those who meet the qualification must become full members of the tribe!

So none of this multicultural nonsense!

People granted "Nationhood" should be expected to conform to our values and be expected to blend genetically. "Foreigners" who seek to maintain their ethnic and cultural exclusivity are not British and never will be!

Britain, which itself is a melting pot of peoples and cultures from start to finish. Being British is multicultural, and that happened long before 'Johnny Foreigner' came to our shore.

The irony of your statement seems to be beyond you, striking others for apparently having an intolerance woven through their cultures while simultaneously expecting everyone to not only socially and culturally 'conform' but genetically also?

Ok.
 
i don't understand why the incidents of paedophile crime have increased so dramatically of late, or the reporting of these crimes. They have certainly increased since the invention of broadband internet
 
ethnic. polite way of saying "****ing foreigners!".
seriously though, deport these scumbags.
know what grinds my gears too? is if the USA want one of our criminals (like the guy that hacked into NASA, think he was disabled too) they wanted to lock him up over there, yet when a british criminal (recently a child rapist from UK/indian decent or something) got caught, they are sending him back here! let him rot in the US cells, least they have capital punishment! all he deserves anyway.
 
I'm in Sweden now and it makes the UK look like its over run by the bnp. This whole country is bent over 4x backwards to be shafted by immigrants. Its really challenging my opinion on the subject. I used to think I was quite liberal being a Londoner.

The media is so scared to even mention race its comical.
 
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I'm in Sweden now and it makes the UK look like its over run by the bnp. This whole country is bent over 4x backwards to be shafted by immigrants. Its really challenging my opinion on the subject. I used to think I was quite liberal being a Londoner.

The media is so scared to even mention race its comical.

It's no secret to anybody wherever they move in large numbers the area goes to crapp...really no secret at all.

That's probably why their own countries are still backward and in the dark ages, they come here and do more of the same and all the liberals keep kissing ass afraid to "seem racist".

Perhaps time just more of the truth was told.
 
Britain, which itself is a melting pot of peoples and cultures from start to finish. Being British is multicultural, and that happened long before 'Johnny Foreigner' came to our shore.

The irony of your statement seems to be beyond you, striking others for apparently having an intolerance woven through their cultures while simultaneously expecting everyone to not only socially and culturally 'conform' but genetically also?

Ok.

Multi cultural yes..but only in small degrees and with rights upheld by law. When was the last major influx of multiculturism? If you say the Romans then fine. But that was ancient times relatively speaking.

How can a white English man possibly converse normally with the majority of Asians? Pop down the pub? Oh...speak to burka clad women? Debate religion? It is all a closed shop. There is virtually no way to interact with the population at large.

They don't want multi culturism and neither do we. They want their culture in our country and we want ours. Majority rules..does it not?
 
If these cases weren't so serious, it'd actually be quite funny the lengths certain people are going to in order to confuse Muslim gang grooming with the likes of Jimmy Saville.

Does the report say they were muslim ?

I counted 42 uses of the word muslim in this thread yet failed to spot it in the linked report.
 
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They don't want multi culturism and neither do we. They want their culture in our country and we want ours. Majority rules..does it not?

This about sums it up, and because this country is ENGLAND, people thus then conform to English culture and ways of life no matter where you are from be you black white purple or orange.

It's not about racism to me it's just common sense?
 
Not sure what you are supposed to be inferring here, but in this case the culture of the Pakistani Muslim community is relevant. Like I said I would have liked to include the Pakistani Mormon community, but they were out of town.

It's strange when the majority "white" paedophiles commit identical rape/paedophilia related crime all over the world, their English/Christian/Atheist culture is not deemed relevant enough for you. Seems you only like blame culture on a selective basis, when the culprits are of an ethnic minority. I wonder why.... and again i forward to this article which pretty much explains all

http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2013/may/06/sexual-abuse-in-white-community

I'm beginning to feel sorry for whites. I have many white friends and I know most of them are wholly opposed to sexual abuse. But they must be worried that their whole community is getting a bad name. I can imagine that, every day, with each unfolding case, they must be hiding their face behind their hands, pleading: "Please, God, don't let it be a white person this time."

And with so many senior community figures implicated, many of us are starting to wonder what will happen to the next generation of whites. How will today's young whites learn that abuse is wrong when their role models are so tarnished?

First, though, we need to find out what's causing the problem. Is it something to do with white people's culture? Is it something to do with their loss of empire, and their new role in the world, as a diminished state desperately clinging to its glorious past? Do they seek to impose their last vestiges of power on the most vulnerable in society?

Or is it that, having spent so much of their history waging wars against each other, they cannot cope with the relative peace of the last half-century, and their frustration at not fighting is taken out on the weakest? I may have no evidence for this, but that's not going to stop me putting it out there as a cause.

Or maybe it's their religion? Child abuse in the priesthood has, of course, also been tolerated for decades, allowed to continue unpunished through a conspiracy of silence among the church hierarchy.

And despite the recent falls in attendance, Christianity still dominates European culture. And the Bible, which many whites still look to, has such verses as: "Do not withhold discipline from a child; if you strike him with a rod, he will not die. If you strike him with the rod, you will save his soul from Sheol [hell]." (Proverbs 23:13-14) It hardly fits with white society's claims to care for children. And even those who don't believe, such as Richard Dawkins, a senior cleric in the atheist community, have sought to downplay the gravity of child abuse, believing it's no worse than religion itself. As he wrote: "Horrible as sexual abuse no doubt was, the damage was arguably less than the long-term psychological damage inflicted by bringing the child up Catholic in the first place." Of course, what we really need now is for brave white community leaders to come out and distance themselves from the abusers.

Maybe, say, the new head of the Equality and Human Rights Commission should come out and admit the issue is "racial and cultural" and that she fears that "in those communities there were people who knew what was going on and didn't say anything, either because they're frightened or they're so separated from the rest of the communities". Or a white cabinet member could say: "There is a small minority of white men who believe that young children are fair game. And we have to be prepared to say that. You can only start solving a problem if you acknowledge it first." Or the head of a leading children's charity could say: "There is very troubling evidence that whites are overwhelmingly represented in the prosecutions for such offences." Yet none of this has happened. And this saddens me. Because until we hear those brave voices speaking out against abuse, what are we meant to think?

I urge white people to break this conspiracy of silence. Call on your leaders to show leadership. To show us all that you're not like the people who dominate the news headlines. That you really do care about protecting children.



It took me ages to find, possibly over 5 seconds, a pity Goggle doesn't work for you.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b0183jpb
A bit odd that you didn't watch it I think.

If it only took you 5 seconds then maybe you should have posted it when you used it as a source? And yes i may have been a bit difficult for others to find considering you last stated it was a channel 4 documentary ;)

Maybe there are somewhere in Bradford according to you, I only have your example of two couples vs my none. My point was this isn't encouraged is it?

Or maybe you live in such an isolated and a blinkered manner you don’t get to see the real world? Considering where you live there aren’t any ethnic minorities with a 20 mile radius :D And lol, why should it be encouraged, is it encouraged in English culture to find and marry E Asian men, eeerm...no!

Sorry but white girls were targeted, just because you managed to find ONE Asian girl doesn't prove anything.

Actually you claimed as a fact these guys wouldn’t dare rape Asian girls, i quickly corrected you and pointed out the ring leader of the group raped a Asian girls for over 10 years. In a nutshell, your fact was a crock of ****.

Where do I begin?

Oh let's pick a random Imam for his thoughts on raping white girls
http://frontpagemag.com/2013/dgreen...o-be-raped-arrested-for-trying-to-rape-woman/

Do you want all the Muslim rape stories from Sweden? I'm not sure we have time to go through them all. Nothing ever happened in Sweden before the party people arrived.

Back to the random-Imam game, let's pick Salafi Sheikh Yasir al-Ajlawn
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2013/apr/3/islamic-cleric-decrees-it-ok-syrian-rebels-rape-wo/

Next random Imam, Muhammed al-Arifi also on raping Syrian women
http://www.newsmax.com/Emerson/fatwa-rape-Syrian-women/2013/01/10/id/470865

So you think posting random link of crazies saying crazy things actual proves a point :D

Bible endorsing rape - http://www.evilbible.com/Rape.htm

A Church of England bishop has recommended a booklet that supports the legalisation of rape within marriage and the criminalisation of same-sex relationships.

http://symonhill.wordpress.com/2012/01/25/cofe-bishop-endorses-booklet-that-promotes-marital-rape/

Look this is your culture endorsing rape, how do you feel. How are you going to resolve these issues within your English culture? Your state backed care homes allowed access to venerable children to paedophiles with the knowledge of the abuses taking place, this is your culture.

http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/cultur...ilia-believe-me-i-know-what-im-talking-about/

Outrage at Jimmy Savile conceals the fact that our culture encourages paedophilia. Believe me, I know what I'm talking about

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...ious-sex-sect-leaders-wife-pleads-guilty.html

Christian leader orders rape and murder of his wife

PS - No i don’t actually believe any of that

Actually to save me the bother, Google 'Muslim Rape' for me, there are 41 million hits, mostly Imams spouting off about how the Quoran allows the raping of non-muslim women.

How about you Google Christian rape, or British man rape, there are over a combined 140 million hits including this gem - http://www.scotsman.com/news/uk/british-man-plotted-to-rape-kill-and-eat-children-1-2922009

Seems British men travel all over the world to commit rape and paedophilia, with huge problems in countries like Cambodia, Vietnam, Thailand, India etc where British men travel with the sole agenda of abusing children.

So pointless and desperate.


Oh dear, that sort of makes it awkward for the Pakistani Muslim community to pretend there is no culture of raping white girls, when their own spiritual leaders keep popping up to say its fine, ouch, burn...
A bit like the Arch Bishop of Canterbury saying it's OK to rape Asian girls - oh wait, he never said that did he? That'll be because Western culture isn't quite so misogynist I guess and Christianity has been through the reformation to bring it into the 21st century. Unlike Islam of course, which is still as backward as ever.

What’s funny here is that Islam has NO figures like an Arch Bishop Canterbury that speaks for a majority or even a minority, and essentially you’re posting random crap by random crappy people who speak for themselves along with maybe a few followers. It basically like me posting crappy quotes from Pastor Jones, Jim Jones, BNP, EDL and any other fundamentalist (which there are many), and saying "oh how awkward for the English Christian/Atheist community spiritual leaders say it is fine to do this or that" which is pretty much all you are doing. In fact Jimmy Savville was a leader/champion of sort and he thought it was fine to rape countless number of children spanning decades, maybe you do to as it’s engrained in your culture too.

No there isn't, my point was the racism is one sided, it isn't even an issue for any other white grouping. Not to mention the issue of a Muslim woman not being allowed to marry a non Muslim man
http://islamiclearningmaterials.com/mixed-marriages-islam

Not sure if trolling

Are you that delusional that you actually think racism is one sided? Mind blown. Do you think any of the far right groups (which there are many with hundreds of thousands of supporters) in the UK would welcome relationships with "ethnics"? No is the answer you are looking for.

Secondly it’s pretty much the same across all the Abrahamic religions for women to not marry non-Christian/Jewish/Muslim men. Thirdly not wanting to marry a none same faith partner is not the same as not wanting to marry a white/brown/black person, as you may be aware people of various religions come from all ethnicities.


In fact google "mixed marriages" if you are still denying the issue.

Mixed marriages, as i mentioned above is a problem that works both ways within ALL ethnicities. To suggest otherwise would be rather stupid.

The entire subject relates to one specific ethnicity only to the extent it defines a culture. You can't assume racism just because someone uses a defining word more than once, that would be a weird way of looking at the topic.

What the entire rape/paedophilia subject is only relates to one ethnicity? Really or is it simply the case when a "white" person commits such crimes it’s an isolated incident but when anyone else does it it’s a ethnicity related subject :D Think this was covered at the top of the page.

You know this how?
Stop pretending this problem doesn't exist because it does.
Even politicians who are normally too scared to mention race are speaking out
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/ukn...grooming-scandal-following-Rochdale-case.html
"In terms of group grooming, there is an ethnic dimension to this which is Asian men and white girls, and that has to be faced by the Asian community. "

What problem? That people commit rape and paedophilia? I'm of the opinion the "white" girls are the majority victims in these select cases as they are the easiest targets being from broken homes, into drink/drugs and less chance of getting caught. Maybe they also have a thing for “white girls” like many “whites” have fetishes for oriental women, rather than them being targeted as they are unclean or “kaffirs”. In fact the same girls were also targeted by "white" English men simultaneously whilst the Asian men were also abusing them, which pretty much covers why these girls were victims.

I think for a variety of reasons Asian girls rarely enter the care system, they can't even intervene to stop forced marriages or honour killings or domestic violence, the joys of a closed community I guess. Except the old acid in the face thing, hard to cover that one up I guess.

What acid attack like this one committed by a young English teen - http://news.sky.com/story/1089916/acid-attack-on-doorstep-teenager-charged or Stefan Sylvestre who attacked his girlfriend with acid, hmme neither seem to be Asian. Probably an issue within your community.

It was a hypothetical question which you have purposely ignored and instead just made more derogatory comments about Islam. One positive to come from this is now we know what your true intentions are in this thread....

So i will ask again, say hypothetically the majority of vulnerable girls in the UK were Asian, do you think such thing would cease to exist because these Asian men would be culturally obliged to treat fellow Asian girls with respect or would they continue to satisfy their sexual need or financial prospects, with these majority Asian girls?

Yes a massive rape problem in India, not helped by the usual misogynistic culture and a totally corrupt police force. Are we supposed to infer something from this? I know it supports my position, I'm not sure about yours.

No it doesn’t support your position. Your position is these Asians are targeting white girls because they are unclean, unholy yada ya, and would not dare rape girls of their own race/religion as they are culturally obliged by some mystical force that overrides their sexual desires and prohibits them from raping one of their "own". Yet these same people continue to rape their own in this country to a lesser degree and in their native countries, just like how "white" people rape in this country and all over the world.

There is a history of use going back to 1960 along with the first immigrants, given that it is illegal in every Muslim country it is still rampant. Unless you exclude temporary marriage, Nikāḥ al-Mutʿah which is just a neat way of sleeping with prostitutes but still pretending one is a good Muslim (got to hand it to Islam, there is always a neat way to do anything you want but still be right with Allah, kill people - sorted, sleep around - sorted, take slaves - sorted, sleep with children - sorted. It's like a religion for people who can't be bothered being religious, awesome :cool:)

Like prostitution is rampant here with "white people"? Funny that across all the countries you mention it’s the same regardless of non-common religion. United States, Britain, France all have prostitution issues and have had issues well before and after any "Muslims" or Asians turned up. Let’s just ignore that, so you can carry on. At least where gaining a clearer pitcher of your goal now.

Unfortunately I doubt there would be official statistics on such an activity, but if a criminal group is willing to traffic children solely for Asian clients requesting white girls, then I'd guess it is a popular and profitable service.
Otherwise they would just use the prostitutes of legal age I'd imagine?

So basically your saying you pulled another "fact" out of your arse with nothing to back up something that lies so critical within your argument? :D In fact basically you have no idea if Asians use prostitutes more than anyone else, so your argument kind of falls flat on its face ;)

Secondary another lie by you as documented by this particular case the clients were not all Asian....


Interesting that white abusers like Savile are indiscriminate in their choice of victims, whereas in this case(s) the victims were mostly white and underage. I think this also points to cultural influence, in that marriage is generally to younger women and that non Muslim whites are not considered equal (even to the extent of having a prerogative term, kafir)

Eerm i was under the impression most of Savvilles victims where "white" underage girls? Could you please provide some evidence to suggest otherwise?

Cultural, marriage to younger women. Legal marriage globally doesn’t really point to any cultural relationship to your claims, as ages are similar from continent to continent.

http://chartsbin.com/view/sr6

Because they can, reduces social tension, reduces incidents of rape. A bit like drug use in prison, illegal but tolerated.

So let me get this straight lol. When white people use prostitutes it’s the above, but when Asian men use prostitutes it’s because "they are not allowed to date"? You really should consider stand up as you’re hilarious at times. All ethnicities/cultures use prostitution, its rampant in the United States and many other Western Countries and all these people are allowed to date. Honestly you are insanely delusional and that reply pretty some up you and your arguments.


We (as in the British culture) didn't ignore the abuses by the Catholic community, we ignored their attempts at covering it up, we dragged them all out into the open, we had every one of them fired, we investigated every complaint going right back to the 1970's and we had the Church pay compensation to everyone involved.
The title 'Catholic Priest' which was once trusted is now a byword for paedophile, it will take them a hundred years to repair the damage if ever.

Who are we? Are you talking about the same culture and same state institutions that covered up Saville and co's crimes for the best part of 4 decades? Only now they are being investigated. The same Church and cultural leaders that covered rape for decades? Are you talking about the same culture that 1/3 of the population believe women are partly to blame for their rape?

A third of Britons believe a woman who acts flirtatiously is partially or completely to blame for being raped, according to a new study.

More than a quarter also believe a woman is at least partly responsible for being raped if she wears sexy or revealing clothing, or is drunk, the study found.


Savile's name is mud and he's dead, all 300 cases are investigated.
The abuse in children's homes generally bankrupts the owning company and everyone is sent to jail, even if it happened in 1963.
Sun readers are so keen to kill child abusers that they mistake paediatricians for paedophiles.

So it was ok for it to be covered up for 50 years? Yet you want to jump all over Asians who i guess you believe are ignoring rape within their communities within a few years of such incidents being revealed? That seems a tad unfair surely? How is a certain community supposed to know rapes are happening within their communities when considering such activities are usually done covertly and not out in the open? Seems like you have an axe to grind, it’s like me saying what did you do when Mark Bridger raped and murder April Jones, what did your community do (since your all "whities" and of the same community) or was it actually the police who did something like they are also doing in these other cases..
 
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You really want to carry this on? Sheesh.
I'm getting kinda ****** off with your pointless abuse in every post, stick to debating the points. I also really, really, really dislike being called a liar by you in every sentence, so take a hint pal :mad:
I'm babysitting with only an iPad to hand, I'll reply whenever.
 
You really want to carry this on? Sheesh.
I'm getting kinda ****** off with your pointless abuse in every post, stick to debating the points. I also really, really, really dislike being called a liar by you in every sentence, so take a hint pal :mad:
I'm babysitting with only an iPad to hand, I'll reply whenever.

Stop making stuff up then, and you won’t get called out on it. It's really that simple ;) Am i not allowed to point out factual inconsistencies crucial to your arguments?
 
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