Chinese (Communist) infiltration of the UK

[I cant post photos]

Which question would that be exactly?

You have yet to post a direct question to me on anything.

Intereseting how you are STILL avoiding half of my original post though.

You're literally doing a trump, doubling down on refusing to answer what you already didn't answer, while accusing others of the very thing you are doing.


Explain to me why I asked you a question, you only answered half of it ?

Could it be because you knew the other half was indefensible so just totally ignored it?


The ******* irony of you talking about refusing to answer the most basic questions, when you totally avoided half of my original post, to do exactly that.... avoid answering a basic question.


Pot, Kettle, Black.


Get some self-awareness ffs.

You appear to be a little angry, would you like a cuddle?



@mmj_uk it honestly beggars belief that you are capable of using a computer to the point of copying and pasting articles and writing actual words yet seem to hoover up this anti-china rhetoric quicker than Ozzy Osbourne can go through a baggy. We all know that China does some shady stuff, but releasing the virus? Really?

And what's with this? Are you trying to preload your drivel again?

 

[Narj]

You appear to be a little angry, would you like a cuddle?

I always think it's a little sad that some people seem to be in this sort of perpetually agitated state. Without wanting to sound like a patronising jerk, sometimes it's good to take a step back, calm down and just don't let stuff on the internet wind you up.

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[Deleted member 77746]

Another thread about to be locked. How sad.

 

[Angilion]

Another thread about to be locked. How sad.

Yes. A reasonable point (Chinese government inflitration of, well, everywhere it can) drowned by gullible blathering about SARS-CoV2 being a bioweapon and being deliberately released by the Chinese government. Despite the fact that anyone with any knowledge of the subject said decades ago that a global pandemic was inevitable due to natural causes, massive global travel and massive close interaction between humans and other species (meat farming and human habitat expansion). It's even been on WHO's "these are the biggest dangers" list for at least a decade. The only thing in question was the detail of the germ. Another flu virus was the favourite, but another coronavirus is hardly surprising after SARS-CoV1 and MERS-CoV.

A lack of pandemics is the exception, not the norm. This won't be the last one, either. There will be SARS-CoV3 or MERS-CoV2 or another coronavirus or another flu virus or something else. It will happen. The only question is when and how bad. It could be something much worse than SARS-CoV2 is. Sooner or later, it will be something much worse. Hopefully SARS-CoV2 will serve as enough of a wakeup call to make it possible for human civilisation to survive that when it happens. Hopefully.

 

[m@rty]

Which question would that be exactly?

You have yet to post a direct question to me on anything.

Intereseting how you are STILL avoiding half of my original post though.

You're literally doing a trump, doubling down on refusing to answer what you already didn't answer, while accusing others of the very thing you are doing.


Explain to me why I asked you a question, you only answered half of it ?

Could it be because you knew the other half was indefensible so just totally ignored it?


The ******* irony of you talking about refusing to answer the most basic questions, when you totally avoided half of my original post, to do exactly that.... avoid answering a basic question.


Pot, Kettle, Black.


Get some self-awareness ffs.

I'm not unwilling to discuss anything.>

I find it funny how people like yourself can construct so many strawmen inside your own head(s) about what I am and am not willing to do. Why is that exactly? Arrogance? An inflated sense ego? Whatever it is, you need to address it pretty quickly, as you seem to spend far too much time GUESSING at what others are unwilling to do.

Perhaps if you spent less time GUESSING what others are doing and more time in actual conversation and ASKING them, you may find you get the answers you want.


As I did with you, When I asked WHY you avoided half of my original post, but only focused on the part you THOUGHT you could "win".

It is playground childishness at the extreme. It would have taken you all of 10 seconds to respond to it, instead you took 3x as long going on about how you had "Already done it in this thread and shouldn't do it again" etc..

It's moronic and infantile. It demonstrates you were only interested in starting (and then "winning") a perceived fight, rather than actually being honest in your discussion(s).

A key point there which you need to focus on greatly... HONESTY IN YOUR DISCUSSIONS.

If you were being honest, you would have answered my original post in full, instead you chose to deliberately avoid the half which you knew to be false..

Selective Reading, Selective Answering, Neither of which are indicative of an honest discussion.

What’s wrong with you?

 

[Sankari]

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/ar...tration-UK-firms-Chinese-Communist-Party.html

Perhaps this is why the world is turning all authoritarian/totalitarian in response to COVID that was released by errm China?

Meanwhile the corporate/social media many of whom have business interests in China want you to poop your pants over Russia and are acting like a Communist Dictator with their ever increasing censorship and cancel culture.

Hilarious nonsense.

Firstly, CCP membership is quasi-compulsory in China, just like Nazi Germany and Stalinist Russia. Most people are members whether they want to be or not, and it doesn't really mean anything unless they're a party official with power and influence.

Secondly, CCP membership does not = Chinese spy. Regular, everyday Chinese people get regular jobs in other parts of the world, just like everyone else. The fact that they're CCP members is irrelevant, and does not constitute 'infiltration.' There's a lot of ex-pat Tory voters in Spain; would you say the Tories have 'infiltrated' Spain? Pure nonsense.

 

[Malevolence]

What is it they say? You can’t argue with stupid...

I'm far from a conspiracy nut and am usually amongst the first to call them out on their insanity, but even I find it to be a tad weird that one of the only labs in the world that deals with this particular virus is located in Wuhan, the place where it originated. We'll probably never know the truth about how this thing started, but that is some major co-incidence.

 

[Rroff]

I'm far from a conspiracy nut and am usually amongst the first to call them out on their insanity, but even I find it to be a tad weird that one of the only labs in the world that deals with this particular virus is located in Wuhan, the place where it originated. We'll probably never know the truth about how this thing started, but that is some major co-incidence.

I certainly wouldn't want to take a hard stance over the origins of the virus and its spread to the human population - but I find it far more likely to be an unintentional release if it did escape a lab and/or was in some way non-natural. With the level of science and tech in the Western world it is far more likely than not it would eventually come to light if it was an intentional weaponised release and the repercussions for China if it was ever proved would be severe.

 

[Malevolence]

I certainly wouldn't want to take a hard stance over the origins of the virus and its spread to the human population - but I find it far more likely to be an unintentional release if it did escape a lab and/or was in some way non-natural. With the level of science and tech in the Western world it is far more likely than not it would eventually come to light if it was an intentional weaponised release and the repercussions for China if it was ever proved would be severe.

Oh yeah, I don't think it was intentional. Most likely just someone not paying attention to protocols at work.

 

[Hakanese]

Can't wait to see what conspiracy theorists come up with when our antibiotics stop working

 

[Werewolf]

I'm far from a conspiracy nut and am usually amongst the first to call them out on their insanity, but even I find it to be a tad weird that one of the only labs in the world that deals with this particular virus is located in Wuhan, the place where it originated. We'll probably never know the truth about how this thing started, but that is some major co-incidence.

IIRC this specific subgroup of virus tends to be found in that part of the world (see SARS etc), so it basically makes sense they'd be keeping an eye on that sort of thing, because it's a risk to them


IIRC there are dozens of these labs around the world, unlike some of the CT types who claim there are only a handful (I think one in the Covid section claimed there were only about 5 in the world, IIRC the US alone has 4+ including university and privately run ones), and they will tend to specialise a bit because that's the way of any research facility, you tend to put resources into things that are likely to be an issue for you, so if you're in an area with "new" diseases that transfer from animals to humans and have had a number of one sub type do so in the last 20 or 30 years, you'll probably put more effort into researching that than something that pops up and effects say the farming industry on the other side of the world (unless you've got a financial interest in making a treatment that disease, or have a large number of the same type of animals and are worried about it's possible spread to your livestock).

 

[StriderX]

I don't get why anyone is 'surprised' by any of this... we've known that this was true for decades, it was literally in the contracts for doing business with China, but it was fine as there were profits to be made and an ideological foreign policy to pursue. It's also not news that countries spy on one another, this has been happening for thousands of years. I suppose if people are 'angry' at this then they should be equally angry that the US spies on China or at least they attempt to https://www.nytimes.com/2017/05/20/world/asia/china-cia-spies-espionage.html. These two points are in addition to previous point made about the near-mandatory need to join the party to get ahead in China, for many of the members it's just a boring piece of administration they have to do.

Of course now it's 'bad' because capitalism is falling apart and that much lauded foreign policy is a sore embarrassment for everyone involved, so naturally it's China's fault for the West's unmitigated hubris and greed.

 

[Efour]

I thought the US spied on Germany or was that homeland? I forget. Fiction is often too close to reality.

Everyone spies on everything. Everyone will do, end of story. As long as it's mutually agreeable it's part of statesmanship.

Giving large parts of your infrastructure to foreign countries with obvious huge ambitious futures isn't smart. Nor is employing risky people. All they need to do is threaten your family, pay you off or shag your brains out.

It's a calculated risk .

 

[Freakbro]

I don't get why anyone is 'surprised' by any of this... we've known that this was true for decades, it was literally in the contracts for doing business with China, but it was fine as there were profits to be made and an ideological foreign policy to pursue. It's also not news that countries spy on one another, this has been happening for thousands of years. I suppose if people are 'angry' at this then they should be equally angry that the US spies on China or at least they attempt to https://www.nytimes.com/2017/05/20/world/asia/china-cia-spies-espionage.html. These two points are in addition to previous point made about the near-mandatory need to join the party to get ahead in China, for many of the members it's just a boring piece of administration they have to do.

Of course now it's 'bad' because capitalism is falling apart and that much lauded foreign policy is a sore embarrassment for everyone involved, so naturally it's China's fault for the West's unmitigated hubris and greed.

It's just so gullible brokebrains like mmj can get all frothy about it, though I've never understood why he always defends Russia from any and all criticism. You'd think he's criticise both bad actors equally.

Especially when at the same time there's the other story about the biggest hack of US administration systems that has been sitting unnoticed for months....

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/12/13/us/politics/russian-hackers-us-government-treasury-commerce.html

Russian Hackers Broke Into Federal Agencies, U.S. Officials Suspect

In one of the most sophisticated and perhaps largest hacks in more than five years, email systems were breached at the Treasury and Commerce Departments. Other breaches are under investigation.

 

[I cant post photos]

Ok guys, we're gonna take over the world with a virus!

How? How will you deploy it?

Well, make sure you wash your hands, because we're doing it here, by all our friends and family! In our own back yard! That'll teach 'em!



Lol.

 

[The Running Man]

I think there are numerous other religious organisations who have infiltrates much deeper.

And have done so for a long period of time.

 

[Sankari]

I thought the US spied on Germany or was that homeland? I forget. Fiction is often too close to reality.

Everyone spies on everything. Everyone will do, end of story. As long as it's mutually agreeable it's part of statesmanship.

Giving large parts of your infrastructure to foreign countries with obvious huge ambitious futures isn't smart. Nor is employing risky people. All they need to do is threaten your family, pay you off or shag your brains out.

It's a calculated risk .

And the article doesn't even present evidence of spying. It's just 'Ooh, there's a lot of Chinese people in western countries and they're also members of the CCP!'

Tasteless nothing burger.

 

[Sankari]

I'm far from a conspiracy nut and am usually amongst the first to call them out on their insanity, but even I find it to be a tad weird that one of the only labs in the world that deals with this particular virus is located in Wuhan, the place where it originated. We'll probably never know the truth about how this thing started, but that is some major co-incidence.

Life is full of coincidences. We just tend to ignore them most of the time.

'Theory that Coronavirus Escaped from a Lab Lacks Evidence.'

 

[GGizmo]

It is interesting that this story of the leak is hardly getting any coverage in the US.

From what I understand members have to hand over information back to the CCP?

Is it possible to leave the CCP? If you are living and working in another country why still be a member?

 

[chroniclard]

Can I direct you to Home / Gab Social

Its a place where like minded loons can gather and share their baseless conspiracy theories and boff one off over freedum, liberty and failed ex president Trump.