Chinese GP 2009 - Race 3/17

this_is_gav said:
Heikki was on an outlap, as indicated by him warming his tyres up and gradual braking into the hairpin. The lap the BBC were referring to was his following lap, which he must have cocked up (or been blocked a 2nd time!). Vettel wasn't entering the pits either, as Legard said, but starting his own fast lap, as can be seen from Heikki's onboard.
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Thanks for clearing that up. Ill stop checking all the F1 sites for news on a penalty that isn't going to come!
 
gord said:
Shareholders do not make the team their nationality.

McLaren is a British team. You can remove your pains!

I think RBR, BGP, Kimi and Lewis are all in good positions. Looking forward to the race!

I wouldnt mind seeing Kovi getting onto the second lap either.. would be nice.. Kovi.. listening? are we?
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We have already had, in another thread somewhere, the discussion as to what does actually dictate a teams nationality, and its not cut and dry. It seems to be some arbitrary decision made at some point, as a lot of teams major share holders or owners are not the same nationality as the team, and a lot of teams are also not based within the country of their nationality. Its basically the nationality of the team name.

McLaren are only really british because its called McLaren. Mercedes have the power to just rename it Mercedes F1 and call it German.....
 
Skeeter said:
It seems to be some arbitrary decision made at some point, as a lot of teams major share holders or owners are not the same nationality as the team, and a lot of teams are also not based within the country of their nationality. Its basically the nationality of the team name.
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Well ...

Were Honda Japanese or British?
How about Renault/Benetton being French or British?
What about Red Bull ... British or Austrian?
Toyota German or Japanese?

And so on...
 
JUMPURS said:
And why should they get Honda's money?
Lets not forget, all this money and they still paid off 270 folk.
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So who should get Honda's money?
Brawn is still the same old Honda team, the fact that it has a new owner and name does not really change the fact it is the same team.
 
rypt said:
So who should get Honda's money?
Brawn is still the same old Honda team, the fact that it has a new owner and name does not really change the fact it is the same team.
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No they where allowed into F1 as a complete new entry, not a name change.

http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/73807

was officially approved by the FIA earlier this week - on the basis that the team is a new entrant........

e added: "It is nothing to do with Honda [anymore]. On December 5, Honda withdrew. They said they were stopping, and this subsequently was backed up by their president a couple of times, saying that they have stopped.

"If they had wanted to continue with different shareholders, and it was called Honda, it would have gone on. Whatever was due to Honda, they would have got."
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They money should be handled like it would if the team left F1 (which did happen)
 
JUMPURS said:
http://www.planet-f1.com/story/0,18954,3213_5203572,00.html

I heart Flav.

He is right though, why should Braun (deliberate) get free travel, Forice India must still be paying for their travel. And why should they get Honda's money?
Lets not forget, all this money and they still paid off 270 folk.

C'mon Fernando!!
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I can understand why he's saying that though.

Brawn is a new team, not a rename of Honda - FIA have said it - which is why they are at the arse end of the pit lane.

As a new team they are entitled to nothing - they even have to wait a couple of years before they get any prize money they win this year.

They are not entitled to any of Honda F1's money.
 
Flibster said:
I can understand why he's saying that though.

Brawn is a new team, not a rename of Honda - FIA have said it - which is why they are at the arse end of the pit lane.

As a new team they are entitled to nothing - they even have to wait a couple of years before they get any prize money they win this year.

They are not entitled to any of Honda F1's money.
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Except that everyone in the whole world knows that is itt he same team, and that they have previous Honda followers following them as well - meaning that however you spin it, even if they are a "new team"; they are still the same old team.
 
rypt said:
Except that everyone in the whole world knows that is itt he same team, and that they have previous Honda followers following them as well - meaning that however you spin it, even if they are a "new team"; they are still the same old team.
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Tough. Thems the rules.. ;)

Honda withdrew - end of the Honda F1 team there and then.
Brawn GP enter - It's a new team *albeit with essentially the same team and lots of Honda cash*
 
Flibster said:
I can understand why he's saying that though.

Brawn is a new team, not a rename of Honda - FIA have said it - which is why they are at the arse end of the pit lane.

As a new team they are entitled to nothing - they even have to wait a couple of years before they get any prize money they win this year.

They are not entitled to any of Honda F1's money.
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Didn't the teams all (Including Flavio/Renault) unanimously vote, as a gesture of goodwill that Brawn should get Honda's money though, in order to save the team? Mercedes supplying a last minute engine deal, the teams clubbing together to get them to the grid?

I'm willing to bet that if Brawn were where everybody expected them to be - halfway down the midfield, fighting to break into the top 10 possibly - that Flavio wouldn't be kicking up a stink. It's just sour grapes because he's losing.
 
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