Chinese Grand Prix 2013, Shanghai - Race 3/19

Spunkey said:
Me either, but still thought he'd give Button a bit more of a run than he has been in any session so far.

Personally I think Hulkenberg would have been a much better signing, but I guess the richest man in the world's money talks.
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Agreed, I thought Hulkenberg for some time now. Having Perez instead seems like a wasted opportunity for McLaren. What about DiResta too?
 
Skeeter said:
Regardless of what other subjective padding you wrap around it, its still just drivers ignoring team orders, something that has been deemed 'completely unjustifiable' and 'worth a ban, and akin to being a rapist' by this forum.

Weather the orders were legal, weather you managed to pass or not, and weather you were a **** about the whole thing are irrelevant when the 'crime' that people are so up in arms about is disobeying what the boss on the pit wall has told you. Ignoring team orders is ignoring team orders, no matter which way you try and spin it.
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Or whether you can spell whether? :p

Ofcourse there is a difference though, circumstance is what differentiates murder, manslaughter and self defence but the result is the same that someone is dead. While nothing like extreme to argue circumstance has no effect on the situation is ridiculous. Circumstance is what changes the 'crime' from meh to Vettel being an absolute selfish ignorant ****!

On the subject of the actual grand prix though, I think it will be an interesting qualifying and I expect that pole will be a fight between RBR and Ferrari. Maybe Lotus getting in there too with Merc close behind. McLaren still seem to suck though :(

Few of us at work try to predict the podium and I am sticking to mine of Alonso, Vettel and Kimi.
 
Auto correct fail. I really should learn to spell.

To me it just seems that the concensus is that its ok to break team orders if they are illegal, its ok to break team orders if you don't actually make the pass, and its ok to break team orders if your team mate breaks team orders too, but its crime of the century if you break team orders and make the pass.

Just seems oddly skewed against the Vettel incident.
 
Tenzo said:
Top Three?

Hamilton, Alonso, Rosberg.
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JeditOjanen said:
It's a comprehensive demonstration of how to tell the world you don't give a damn about your team or your teammate or anything other than yourself.
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Does it not also demonstrate a win-at-all-costs attitude?
And that if you hire Vettel, you are getting the most ferociously competitive driver seen in F1, since MSc?
 
Skeeter said:
Auto correct fail. I really should learn to spell.

To me it just seems that the concensus is that its ok to break team orders if they are illegal, its ok to break team orders if you don't actually make the pass, and its ok to break team orders if your team mate breaks team orders too, but its crime of the century if you break team orders and make the pass.

Just seems oddly skewed against the Vettel incident.
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I guessed what happened with the spelling, it should be treated different to others though I agree with your sentiment that people seemed to have jumped on it as finally they have a genuine reason for dislike him instead of just because he wins all the time. This is where Webber pulls a Senna/Suzuka style and takes them both out leading to everyone hating on Webber :D

Mr Men said:
Can we leave the whole Seb and team orders circle of debate in the other threads?
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I agree :)

Tenzo said:
Top Three?

Hamilton, Alonso, Rosberg.

More of a wish, than a probable :)
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I would love that to be the top 3 just more fun getting the right 3 so I can call people at work losers haha.
 
Jeez, is that debate still going on? I think what is more worrying about the state of F1 these days is the sight of tyres shredding their laminate after only a few laps. Something is fundamentally wrong with this sport and I think that Sunday's race will be yet another exercise in tyre preservation instead of the spectacle of cars going flat out, which is what it should be as the pinnacle of motor racing. Didn't somebody say today that they're actually lapping slower than the GP2 cars...
 
F1 has been about tyre preservation since they banned refuelling. It was just hidden in 2010 by the indestructible Bridgestones.

Tyre life is the limiting factor in a teams race strategy, therefore tyre preservation will always be part of that strategy. The only way to stop it is to implement something else that is more limiting, like refuelling.
 
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