Chinese Grand Prix 2013, Shanghai - Race 3/19

If football ever gets too boring, i think they should start making footballers wear wellington boots in the first half, trainers in the second half, and then stilettos if it gets to extra time.

winklepickers for penalties as well.
 
If football ever gets too boring, i think they should start making footballers wear wellington boots in the first half, trainers in the second half, and then stilettos if it gets to extra time.

winklepickers for penalties as well.

They could stagger the half time refueling also, so you could have a one stop 15 minuter, or two 7.5 minuters. Imagine the strategies!
 
Was watching the practice sessions on BBC and that interview with Magnassun's son was awful, he simply failed to answer a question he was asked, bloody awful. Seems we have another robot coming to the sports top level. :(
 
Weather the orders were legal, weather you managed to pass or not, and weather you were a **** about the whole thing are irrelevant when the 'crime' that people are so up in arms about is disobeying what the boss on the pit wall has told you. Ignoring team orders is ignoring team orders, no matter which way you try and spin it.

It's whether.
 
Was watching the practice sessions on BBC and that interview with Magnassun's son was awful, he simply failed to answer a question he was asked, bloody awful. Seems we have another robot coming to the sports top level. :(

I think I caught that one - the one in the Mclaren garage? It was awful!
 
Hmm. Could there be scope for qualifying on the mediums, running a longer first stint while everyone else chews the sorts up with heavy cars, and then chuck the sorts on for a short stint when it works best for you later in the race?

When you add the 3 or 4 laps in qualifying to the tyres your looking at lap 7 for a first stop.

Also, lol at "Kimis quote of the week" on the F1 Show.
 
Hi, all I know is that in all the years I have followed F1, since Jim Clark days mind, have I never seen tyres that are forced upon the sport and F1 drivers and teams just to make it a spectacle, tyres that I believe are dangerous and that have actually caused this team order debacle. The drivers hate them, true F1 followers hate them and so do all of the team managers. Its absurd to the highest degree and has made the sport fit only for the pub viewing mentality.
 
Hi, all I know is that in all the years I have followed F1, since Jim Clark days mind, have I never seen tyres that are forced upon the sport and F1 drivers and teams just to make it a spectacle, tyres that I believe are dangerous and that have actually caused this team order debacle. The drivers hate them, true F1 followers hate them and so do all of the team managers. Its absurd to the highest degree and has made the sport fit only for the pub viewing mentality.

I agree it's just that they do make for more overtaking and no one likes a procession. If anything I think last year's tyres were a lot better for the viewing spectacle. They went off but no where near as quick. The current compound is just too drastic imo.
 
If football ever gets too boring, i think they should start making footballers wear wellington boots in the first half, trainers in the second half, and then stilettos if it gets to extra time.

winklepickers for penalties as well.

i vote for flippers in the first half, ice skates in the second half, clown shoes in extra time and stilts for the penalties. If they did that i might actually watch football :p
 
Hmm. Could there be scope for qualifying on the mediums, running a longer first stint while everyone else chews the sorts up with heavy cars, and then chuck the sorts on for a short stint when it works best for you later in the race?

When you add the 3 or 4 laps in qualifying to the tyres your looking at lap 7 for a first stop.

Also, lol at "Kimis quote of the week" on the F1 Show.


In FP2 though wasn't the difference between the two compounds at the upper limit of Pirelli's estimate, i.e over a second?

I guess in theory if you could make Q3 then just cruise around for a lap on the mediums. The problem is that starting from the 5th row of the gird there is massive potential for trouble.
 
In my book they'd be allowed to choose whatever compounds they want from all that the manufacturer makes (so super softs for Qually, etc) and they'd have unlimited supply to stop as many times as they want.
 
The big problem with putting it all on tyres is, how much the tyres over everything else punish the driver for being offline/behind another car.

If you have almost indestructible tyres, the actual ability of the car to handle high speed is a bigger limiter, but thats a GOOD thing this is a team and individual sport, driver vs driver and car vs car, but the title is purely about who gets the best tyre strategy, that is COMPLETELY wrong.

If everyone was really racing, going max out, we'd have more retirements, more blown engines, a more up and down season but mostly MORE DAMN RACING.

Refueling, stint not working you can change strategy, everyone will have to pit again anyway, but you do one bad corner and flat spot your tyres, thats an extra pitstop others won't have to make, it discourages driving fast, discourages overtaking or getting close to the guys infront, its just cack. Maybe its just me but I want to see guys dive up the inside lock up and try and hold position on the exit, I want to see guys pushing the very hardest possible, not lift off and save tyres into corners, and realise that trying to overtake around the outside will just hurt the tyres.

There are many ways to artificially "limit" F1 but tyres is the single worst option as it hurts racing in every way. I'd prefer the cars break due to being pushed to hard, than everyone goes round at a snails pace for fear of hurting a piece of rubber, its mental.

But thats the thing, there used to be situations where one team had an epically fast car, but that insane speed cost them in reliability, or the slow steady car that never broke down(Ferrari last year :p ) might win the title. The reliability of so many of the cars in the past 2-3 years really shows how within the cars they drive in everything but Q3, and that is just wrong.

Make stupid fast car, do the whole race 8 -10 seconds off that pace..... what? Worlds best cars, worlds best racing, and no one is remotely close to the maximum pace.

THe tyres being so bad also is why there is such a defined racing line, marbles and everyone trying to stay on an identical line make overtaking again more difficult and punish the car/driver, better tyres, less marbles on the track, less penalty for trying to go fast and hard around the outside. It won't necessarily mean we'll get more overtaking, but I want to watch cars racing where the driver has the option rather than knows it will hurt in the long run.

I actually quite want the tyres to be worse, less grip + more life, means driver skill in cornering means more, the ability to control a slide, get a good exit, all part of racing, epic tyres with insane grip but one line and no speed.... not good for racing.
 
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