Chord Ethernet Cables
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Unfortunately they do. The resident AV salesman around here still peddles the "magic speaker cables" nonsense and insists, whilst acknowledging that the science doesn't back his claims up, that speaker cables have sound properties outside of "is adequate" and "is inadequate".
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Because they're not mugs who've been conned by claims of magic cables maybe?
The only people who buy these expensive cables are the delusional type who ignore the science and just buy these ludicrously overpriced cables, and tell themselves there is a difference. Most of them will "hear" a difference (because they're mental) because of how much money they've spent, and they couldn't possibly accept that the amount that they've just been reamed for is for literally no performance increase.
Oh, you also sound like you're a believer of magic cables.
This http://www.chord.co.uk/product/chord-optichord-toslink-to-toslink-digital-optical-interconnect/
and this http://www.chord.co.uk/product/chord-sarum-usb-tuned-aray-digital-interconnect-type-a-to-type-b/
is pretty bad, though I think the optical one is the worst, despite the huge price difference, because look at the specs of it.
"Shielding efficiency"
and
"Mechanical noise suppression"
Are literally lies, because optical cables don't need to be shielded from interference, and there's nothing mechanical about them, they're just glorified reams of plastic that light is shone through.
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As Karl would put it........B*******!
It's wierd that.
The only people I see defending them are people that waste their money on them.
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9designs2 believes in and purchases magic cables, so of course he's going to post nonsense in this thread.
Btw whilst you're at it, make sure you get your audiophile plug sockets!
http://www.russandrews.com/product....&customer_id=PAA0240045414832MIYTKEXQWXKGIVXY
Btw whilst you're at it, make sure you get your audiophile plug sockets!
http://www.russandrews.com/product....&customer_id=PAA0240045414832MIYTKEXQWXKGIVXY
Hmmm sorry to disappoint you, but I don't. I made my CAT6 Network cable myself off a real for example.
If someone has a few grand to waste on a cable then I think you can be sure they're in a position where you don't need to worry about them or why. If it gives them pleasure and enjoyment then that's fine... It's a free society isn't it? .... hell it's even keeping some people in a job !!!
If people need to campaign how about the money people waste on taking drugs, smoking or excessive drinking... I think that is much more worthy campaign and has negative effect on their health.... Where as the cable is probably making people feel better!!!
Oh... just remembered I have Chord Epic Super Twin speaker cable... bought off an auction site as an end of roll off cut, as I only needed a pair of 2m runs. Do I need therapy now?
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In that case why bother giving anyone any advice on here?
Want to spend £2K on Bose? Well if they're happy then why worry, it's a free society!
Again, it's about making decisions. The more people that realise that this stuff is a rip off means they will be spending more money on the right parts of the system, which means better results.
Well because it is basically fraud.
Hmmm sorry to disappoint you, but I don't. I made my CAT6 Network cable myself off a real for example.
If someone has a few grand to waste on a cable then I think you can be sure they're in a position where you don't need to worry about them or why. If it gives them pleasure and enjoyment then that's fine... It's a free society isn't it? .... hell it's even keeping some people in a job !!!
If people need to campaign how about the money people waste on taking drugs, smoking or excessive drinking... I think that is much more worthy campaign and has negative effect on their health.... Where as the cable is probably making people feel better!!!
Oh... just remembered I have Chord Epic Super Twin speaker cable... bought off an auction site as an end of roll off cut, as I only needed a pair of 2m runs. Do I need therapy now?
Smoking and alcohol actually do something, magic speaker cables do not.
Utterly poor example.
Well, of course there's no such thing as magic anything! But, how do these dealers manage to fool people? Especially people like me! And, why can't they pull off the trick every time?
I ask this because I am convinced, that on a number of occasions at dems and shows, in my own home and at friends houses I have heard cables make significant differences to the sound.
However, on quite a few occasions I've had 'expensive' cables home, had a listen and been unable to tell a difference. Indeed, my most recent experience was with over £2000 (I kid you not )of mains cables which my dealer had absolutely raved about!!!
I plugged them in, listened attentively, and did not notice any difference! I returned them to the dealer, who I know personally and told him I really couldn't differentiate them from my own! No big deal, he didn't fall out with, or insult me... despite making incredible claims as to their performance...!
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Have you never heard of the placebo effect?
Have a read of Ben Goldacre - Bad Science, or Stuart Sutherland - irrationality. Apply occums razor. I don't know why hi-fi people fail to accept this rather obvious explanation!
Fraud... why hasn't it been easily proven and outlawed then ? But then a lot of advertising is little more the fraud or deception dressed up.
I said campaign against smoking etc as a more worthy cause... "has negative effect on their health" ... did I not ?
The comments "Magic cables" were aimed at digital cables I believe, again I gave no support or suggestion that people should buy them. As I stated I don't.
Analogue cables, speaker cables being one, can change the sound (note I said change not improve, that's subjective), assuming they are of different construction and materials etc.
But then people read what they want to read to fit their own entrenched views... then like to accuse others accordingly.
So for the record.... I'm not a Magic digital cable believer ... neither do I bother with fancy mains cables, I use what came with the equipment.
I have used RA mains leads when I need to use UK equipment in Italy... as a way of adapting the plugs and sockets and gaining some spike protection... Once back in the UK I eventually sold them as I couldn't reliable say they did anything for the sound.... or my enjoyment of it....
They served the purpose to which I bought them, lost little money on resale and allowed me to experiment for my own experience.
Hence I have no plans to experiment further with mains leads.
Interconnects and speakers leads, being analogue, I have ensured I have what I believe to be suitable and good quality items. The interconnects came with the equipment anyway. The speaker cable without any magic dust was half price.
I said campaign against smoking etc as a more worthy cause... "has negative effect on their health" ... did I not ?
The comments "Magic cables" were aimed at digital cables I believe, again I gave no support or suggestion that people should buy them. As I stated I don't.
Analogue cables, speaker cables being one, can change the sound (note I said change not improve, that's subjective), assuming they are of different construction and materials etc.
But then people read what they want to read to fit their own entrenched views... then like to accuse others accordingly.
So for the record.... I'm not a Magic digital cable believer ... neither do I bother with fancy mains cables, I use what came with the equipment.
I have used RA mains leads when I need to use UK equipment in Italy... as a way of adapting the plugs and sockets and gaining some spike protection... Once back in the UK I eventually sold them as I couldn't reliable say they did anything for the sound.... or my enjoyment of it....
They served the purpose to which I bought them, lost little money on resale and allowed me to experiment for my own experience.
Hence I have no plans to experiment further with mains leads.
Interconnects and speakers leads, being analogue, I have ensured I have what I believe to be suitable and good quality items. The interconnects came with the equipment anyway. The speaker cable without any magic dust was half price.
Cables can alter the sound, and to do so you use inadequate cables. It's very easy for vendors to fake these sort of demos, they just make sure some other cables aren't doing their job properly, like using really thin cable that will just degrade sound quality.
Monster has been caught out for doing "Can you see the Monster Difference" demos with "HDMI" cables. They had one of their own HDMI cables, and had a "competing HDMI" cable, except it was really a composite video cable.
What doesn't actually happen though is these cables do not increase sound quality.
That, and placebo effect.
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The only people interested would be the ASA, which would be around the adverts they carry, that's who stopped Russ Andrews in the past. Trading standards is another matter but a much more complicated process. I don't think they could really make much of a case unless they are making *clear* claims as to what these products do, and when you look at the advertising/marketing, they very, very rarely do.
Well if you want to go down that route, it's still the same issue. Analogue cables either work or don't. You don't need to spend more than a few £/m before you're going into the realms of differences that are never going to be picked up by the human ear. The claims companies make for the cables don't stand up to any objective evidence (and despite making these cables, the manufacturers never provide any objective evidence!) and are quite easily explained by the placebo effect.
If you still want to ignore the placebo effect, ask yourself why nobody from the hi-fi industry produces real, objective studies showing their products work? If they did, it would allow them to backup bold claims without the worry of the ASA.
Because if you are an irrational audiophile, costing more must mean better....