Cigarette Prices
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I quit in 2002 when it was £3.55 for a pack of 20 Richmond (I know, yuck).
The current price of cigarettes bothers me less than the upsurge in preachy non-smokers. Why do you think it is OK for you to tell people what to do (or not to do)? If people want to spend all their money on cigarettes, why the hell not? You've already whined enough that they can hardly smoke them anywhere any more anyway.
The current price of cigarettes bothers me less than the upsurge in preachy non-smokers. Why do you think it is OK for you to tell people what to do (or not to do)? If people want to spend all their money on cigarettes, why the hell not? You've already whined enough that they can hardly smoke them anywhere any more anyway.
Devil's Advocate, but there are several reasons:
1. Free speech.
2. It costs those of us who work, to support the smokers in 2 ways. Firstly, in healthcare costs which are a 99.9% guarantee that IF you smoke, you WILL have smoking related issues which may/may not kill you. Secondly, for the members of society who do not contribute to the country through work, those of society appear to spend a lot of their benefit cash on cigarettes (amongst other equally damaging things).
3. Whether a smoker likes it or not, non-smokers virtually always end up inhaling the fumes. The visible smoke and smoke-scent is only a tiny proportion of the actual toxic chemical cocktail emitted from a cigarette. That therefore entitles all non-smokers the ability to pass on their opinions. If a non-smoker went into a smoking room (like the ones at Airports), and just started firing random shots out of a Russian-Roulette gun whilst spinning around and occasionally firing at their own head, i'd imagine the smokers would object to that? The argument could even go so far as to say that to smoke around non-smokers (or children, or pets) could be construed as a criminal offence due to the potential repercussions for long-term/fatal health conditions arising from the smoker's actions.
4. They are providing a solution - Smokers complain at the cost of cigarettes, they offer the most logical, intelligent and medically proven solution to that problem - QUIT.
They should offer 2 prices with a government issue "cigarette" card.
1) The high current price which will keep going up. But if you pay it, when your diagnosed with cancer or a whole variety of other smoking-related illnesses, the NHS pays for your treatment.
2) A cheap price. Buy them at this price and when your diagnosed, tough luck.
You want to smoke, no problem, just don't expect the government to pay for you to do it.
1) The high current price which will keep going up. But if you pay it, when your diagnosed with cancer or a whole variety of other smoking-related illnesses, the NHS pays for your treatment.
2) A cheap price. Buy them at this price and when your diagnosed, tough luck.
You want to smoke, no problem, just don't expect the government to pay for you to do it.
Soldato
Boring...
Free country too..
Smokers pay enough in tax to cover their NHS visit, if and when they would need one (probably 30-40 years down the line) so get over that well used and useless terminology.
The NHS is deplated more by alcohol then smoking, so lets ban that? as I assume you dont drink for this reason?
Some dont want to quit. Is that not logic enough for you? People like you assume everybody wants to quit smoking, when that clearly isnt the case. Smokers are being forced to quit, rather than smokers wanting to quit.
People cant quit because they dont want to quit, 9/10. They say they do, but realistically they dont, and its why months down the line of quitting, a lot go back to it, without these so called toxin's telling our brain that we need it.
Get a grip long term repocusions. Generally smokers dont do it around other smokers, they aint allowed to nowadays due to all the laws and awareness. I never even used to smoke in my own car if a non-smoker was present. inhalling the odd passive smoke isnt going to kill you, its more of when its a constant inhaling on a daily basis that it becomes one.
Stop trying to be a smart-*** and get on with your own life instead of trying to dictate what others have to do.
never even picked up a ciggie in my life let alone tried to smoke one. Personally, I don't care if people smoke or not. Its their choice, let them get on with it. I have friends who smoke, and friends who don't. It bothers me not.
The prices do make me cringe though. Glad i've never tried it!
The prices do make me cringe though. Glad i've never tried it!
Seriously? 80 a day!? That's the most I've ever heard anyone smoke in a day.
Hear, freaking, hear.
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Bit of a straw man there.
I think you will find the great majority of people do not drink to excess to the point that it incurs any NHS costing.
I also doubt you will find many people who will advocate getting blitzed enough to warrant an NHS visit.
Nor will you find anyone saying those who do it should be left alone, not treated, not dealt with.
The alcohol point would be relevant if nothing was done, but no one is happy with those who block up the NSH with drunken antics, liver cirrhosis, trauma injuries, and binge drinking results.
There is no comparison.
Caporegime
Dear god if i smoked that much, my lungs would probably be coming out of my mouth :/
Mind you when i was smoking, id smoke about 15 a day and even then my throat and lungs would be giving me hassle.
Thank god ive given up and taken up vaping which i find much easier on my body, still get my nicotine hit and people dont complain about my smelly clothes etc.
You dont have to be "blitzed" to need a trip to the NHS, so share a straw hat with me. You just have to get drunk enough to loose balance and tumble and sprain an ankle, to take a visit to the hospital at the tax payers expense.
Not every smoker has to go to hospital either you know.
Smoking, you are more of a chance to get cancer and other illnesses, but people often assume you are 100% likely and you will get it at some point when you dont. I've had relatives die with no illnesses, at a grand old age still chugging fags away like theyre tic tacs.
Im not ignorant to dangers, but neither are the people who jump out of planes or do other stuff they know in the back of their head could kill them. Its one of lifes enjoyments and risks, and whilst you may see it as an unenjoyment, many dont, and people should be allowed to make up their own minds as to if they choose to put their own lives at risk, so long as it does not affect others.
Preaching NHS bills and why should you pay them, just because someone chooses that one day they MIGHT gain cancer because of something they enjoy doing, when in reality it works for any case, such as sports injuries, why should i pay for someone that is risking their own bodies injury, on a high contact sports when i dont do them myself?
The NHS is there for everybody, and paid by everybody i just wish people wouldnt assume they have a right to decide who gets it because of what they do.
Lets ban flip flops, I dont wear them so why should others at the cost of 40mil. if thats the case how much do sporting injuries cost per year?
http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/technology-science/flip-flop-injuries-cost-nhs-40million-238619
Its pathetic
Everyone is doing something i think it is a very small % who can gloat in here.How many people get really drunk at the weekends and continue to booze? How many smoke? How many drive fast cars or do extreme sports? How many people are over weight? How many people abuse drugs?
I think everyone has something the NHS might not be too fond of.It still comes down to freedom though why should the GOV tax ciggies, make soft drugs illegal and continually inflate the price of a pint? The last time io checked the NHS was doing ok.Compared to the USA where a million die and millions more and driven into debt.I think they should just back off and let people smoke and drink and whatever else.The truth be told is it is not the price of the NHS they care about.It is about keeping you fit and healthy and in employment so they can crush you under tax until old age.You cannot let those cogs get rusty and squeaky!
I think everyone has something the NHS might not be too fond of.It still comes down to freedom though why should the GOV tax ciggies, make soft drugs illegal and continually inflate the price of a pint? The last time io checked the NHS was doing ok.Compared to the USA where a million die and millions more and driven into debt.I think they should just back off and let people smoke and drink and whatever else.The truth be told is it is not the price of the NHS they care about.It is about keeping you fit and healthy and in employment so they can crush you under tax until old age.You cannot let those cogs get rusty and squeaky!
Man of Honour
I love the "Enjoy the here and now, I don't want to be old anyway" crew.
Think of it not as smoking making you die young, but it making you age faster.
Think of it not as smoking making you die young, but it making you age faster.
Soldato
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Did you smoke in your sleep? Because even with only 6 hours that's a cigerette every 13.5 mins. If you did that for any longer than a few years you're probably dead already.
Associate
I used to enjoy smoking in my late teens but managed to give up at the age of 21. My favourite cig at the time was a Players number 6.
Soldato
A little bit more up market than Players No. 10.
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Associate
Did some work in Nottingham a few months ago at the big BAT factory near to the Boots campus site and the smell in the air around the site brought it all back to me.
To get an idea, smell an empty fag packet and that's the smell in the air all around the outside.
To get an idea, smell an empty fag packet and that's the smell in the air all around the outside.