Cisgender

[h4rm0ny]

IRCC, 70% of black swans are gay. The male couples simply rape a female couple to reproduce.

Nature is funny like that.

I didn't believe you until I looked it up. Whilst you're off with the numbers (it's one in four mated pairs are homosexual males so presumably it's 50% or fewer swans that are gay), that's still pretty amazing.

It adds a whole extra layer to that disturbing scene in The Black Swan with Natalie Portman and Mila Kunis.

 

[Mynight]

IRCC, 70% of black swans are gay. The male couples simply rape a female couple to reproduce.

Nature is funny like that.

Well I guess you really do learn something new everyday .

 

[titaniumx3]

Yep, we can do that too, actually. More than one species has non-reproductive members occurring frequently because it helps the group as a whole. In fact, when it comes to social creatures such as apes, dogs, whatever, family ties leading to support of those related to but not descended from, is the norm. For all we know, in evolutionary terms having a small percentage of males who fulfil male duties but don't fight with other males over mates is an advantage. I'm not saying it is, but it's a viable hypothesis and in the absence of evidence either way, as likely as not. If it's an evolutionary dead end, why hasn't it died out?

Why do people get so defensive about this? If something is not normal, it does not in any way imply that it is bad, evil, etc. Much of our existence is based on us being not normal, or not following 'normal' patterns of behaviour. Fact is, if you're born with male genitalia, it is normal to use it to reproduce. If you have not done that, than you have for whatever reason deviated from normal behaviour. Wrong and right doesn't even come into it.

 

[RDM]

Why do people get so defensive about this? If something is not normal, it does not in any way imply that it is bad, evil, etc. Much of our existence is based on us being not normal, or not following 'normal' patterns of behaviour. Fact is, if you're born with male genitalia, it is normal to use it to reproduce. If you have not done that, than you have for whatever reason deviated from normal behaviour. Wrong and right doesn't even come into it.

I would say since the advent of reliable contraception the normal use for male genitalia is sexual pleasure...

 

[Gilly]

Cisgender - it's a derogatory term, isn't it? Like how in the world of Harry Potter they called non-magical people "muggles".

I think you've kind of made the right point by accident there. CISgender can be used in a pejorative fashion, but that doesn't make the term itself a derogatory one. Muggle is the same, in that it can be used to simply describe non-magic folk and it is used in this context by some of the nicest people in the stories.

Mudblood would be the equivalent if CISgender was only ever derogatory, and that's people that aren't in-bred (or pureblood as they refer to themselves)

Either you want to treat someone as an individual or not. You cannot apply that rule to one and not the other.

Whilst I agree with this in principle, I think there are limits.

That was true in the Victorian times here. Upper class people would want to be as white as possible.

They would also want to be fat

 

[Amp34]

....Er... yeah,l pretty sure it doesn't quite "work" like that

Although to be honest I don't think children's programmes should feature any kind of sexuality.

Makes sense to me that programs like the modern equivalent of Biker Grove can "explore" sexuality a bit more.

Then I guess you could also have the occasional program with a kid who has two dads.

 

[Gilly]

Then I guess you could also have the occasional program with a kid who has two dads.

My 2 Dads was ahead of it's time

*except for those awful jumpers

 

[Col_M]

I'm not CIS I'm full Soviet.

 

[Threepwood]

He didn't mention gay people at all?

Or have you made the rather rude assertion that trans people are gay?

I meant transexuals.

 

[Tummy]

Gender (determined by genetics) = / = Personal Identity (determined psychologically)

, what? No.

"Gender refers to the socially constructed characteristics of women and men - such as norms, roles and relationships of and between groups of women and men. It varies from society to society and can be changed."

Sex - biological.

 

[Haggisman]

Makes sense to me that programs like the modern equivalent of Biker Grove can "explore" sexuality a bit more.

Then I guess you could also have the occasional program with a kid who has two dads.

I was thinking more along the lines of Peppa Pig and Danny Dog getting it on... Biker Grove etc I would class as more "teens" although I guess legally still classed as children!

Yep, we can do that too, actually. More than one species has non-reproductive members occurring frequently because it helps the group as a whole. In fact, when it comes to social creatures such as apes, dogs, whatever, family ties leading to support of those related to but not descended from, is the norm. For all we know, in evolutionary terms having a small percentage of males who fulfil male duties but don't fight with other males over mates is an advantage. I'm not saying it is, but it's a viable hypothesis and in the absence of evidence either way, as likely as not. If it's an evolutionary dead end, why hasn't it died out?

Well, partly because it's not completely genetic, but also, that's made me think:

It's only very recently that being gay has become more accepted (and it still isn't in many countries). Because of this, historically gay people have probably* been in heterosexual relationships (either in denial, or for fear of being shunned if "discovered"), which may have produced children.

So... since being gay has now become acceptable (at least in much of the developed world); are we going to see less instances of gay people in heterosexual relationships (to hide their homosexuality), and therefore less instances of gay people having children and therefore passing on their genetics?

* educated guess based on no evidence

 

[twist3d0n3]

 

[Cosimo]

I'm not CIS I'm full Soviet.

I see what you did there comrade.

 

[h4rm0ny]

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It must be truly horrible to see the world as you do, terrified by the encroaching hoards of sexually ambiguous moustached women and men in leather fetish outfits gathering outside your house waiting for a chance to crowd around and press their non-conforming sexuality in your face! It's a wonder you dare venture out!

 

[Sankari]

Sigh, this old gem, surviving from prudish Victorian times no less!

I've seen no evidence that the Victorians associated paedophilia with homosexuality. In fact, they were practically in denial that it even occurred. Compared to today, paedophilia was virtually ignored during the Victorian era.

 

[twist3d0n3]

It must be truly horrible to see the world as you do, terrified by the encroaching hoards of sexually ambiguous moustached women and men in leather fetish outfits gathering outside your house waiting for a chance to crowd around and press their non-conforming sexuality in your face! It's a wonder you dare venture out!

lol

 

[h4rm0ny]

I've seen no evidence that the Victorians associated paedophilia with homosexuality. In fact, they were practically in denial that it even occurred. Compared to today, paedophilia was virtually ignored during the Victorian era.

What are you basing this on? When homosexuality is considered unmentionable in polite society / outright illegal, then for most people it is just mentally classed as "sexual perversion" and also viewed as a choice made by some morally debased individual. Consequently, in line with the human tendency towards simplification true in any time period, it gets classed with anything else seen as a morally debased sexual perversion. What datajack said is likely true. Any society where homosexuality is verboten, it tends to get mentally associated with any other sexually verboten practices by mainstream society.

 

[Mynight]

It must be truly horrible to see the world as you do, terrified by the encroaching hoards of sexually ambiguous moustached women and men in leather fetish outfits gathering outside your house waiting for a chance to crowd around and press their non-conforming sexuality in your face! It's a wonder you dare venture out!

Slight over reaction to a picture .

Never know he may be one of these moustached leather wearing women(on weekends).

 

[twist3d0n3]

Slight over reaction to a picture .

Never know he may be one of these moustached leather wearing women(on weekends).

posted the picture because i found it funny. guy loses his ****.

 

[h4rm0ny]

lol

Hey, you're the one that keeps posting all the badly drawn cartoons showing threatening crowds of women with dyed hair and disabled people closing in around you. I figure if you post it, it's cause you relate to it, no?