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Router from IDNet arrived yesterday, I don't get to use it until the 13th though.

My youngest (15) just saw the box on the side in the living room and asked "Is that one of those new 90s?" Took a few questions to realise he meant a 5090 lol.

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He was shocked when I followed up with "my 5090 hasn't arrived yet", told me I'm expensive lol.
 
Hurrah! Signed up with Aquiss today for City Fibre 1200. Only 5 years after CF started taunting us with their roll out for our area, then missing our cul-de-sac for who knows what reason & finally getting around to fixing the plumbing on the pavement last year. Just need to decide on the best router/mesh to feed the house as I cant run cable upstairs currently. BT can, finally, do one.
 
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Avalon said:
Zen now is not Zen of old, people really need to stop with the rose-tinted nostalgia view.
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Have they really changed that much? Was with them for years until mid-2020. Vodafone offered a good price to switch at the time as I was an existing customer (mobile phone) so switched. Vodafone has been fine until recently. First found out the phone line was dead (BTOpenworld fixed) and now suffering performance/latency issues which they don't seem to be able to resolve, instead recommending a switch to full fibre while stating their tests show no problems :rolleyes:. Reluctant to as it'd be a 2year contract and I'm not confident that I won't have the same issue.

Was thinking about switching back to Zen on a Home package (vs business currently - which I don't really need now). Are there better alternatives that can include a landline as wouldn't mind keeping my existing number?
 
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DarrenM343 said:
Have they really changed that much? Was with them for years until mid-2020. Vodafone offered a good price to switch at the time as I was an existing customer (mobile phone) so switched. Vodafone has been fine until recently. First found out the phone line was dead (BTOpenworld fixed) and now suffering performance/latency issues which they don't seem to be able to resolve, instead recommending a switch to full fibre while stating their tests show no problems :rolleyes:. Reluctant to as it'd be a 2year contract and I'm not confident that I won't have the same issue.

Was thinking about switching back to Zen on a Home package (vs business currently - which I don't really need now). Are there better alternatives that can include a landline as wouldn't mind keeping my existing number?
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IDNet offer the option of a phone line, including porting of your existing number. I've opted not to keep my landline, but I think it was a fairly cheap add-on.
 
DarrenM343 said:
Have they really changed that much? Was with them for years until mid-2020. Vodafone offered a good price to switch at the time as I was an existing customer (mobile phone) so switched. Vodafone has been fine until recently. First found out the phone line was dead (BTOpenworld fixed) and now suffering performance/latency issues which they don't seem to be able to resolve, instead recommending a switch to full fibre while stating their tests show no problems :rolleyes:. Reluctant to as it'd be a 2year contract and I'm not confident that I won't have the same issue.

Was thinking about switching back to Zen on a Home package (vs business currently - which I don't really need now). Are there better alternatives that can include a landline as wouldn't mind keeping my existing number?
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In a word? Yes. If you could be lured away by saving a few quid, they can't have been that great in your opinion either. Vodafone aren't really that great from a CS/TS standpoint, in fact that's being pretty kind, the equipment isn't all that great either, but if you never have to deal with them and use your own, then the only real concern is the load balancing between London and Edinburgh, that randomly routes your traffic up to Scotland only for it in some cases to have to go back down to London anyway, capacity wise Vodafone obliterate Zen, but then again Zen has a relatively tiny subscriber base. It feels very much like the recent Zen plays are just about a cash grab by the new (old) CEO, and don't get me started on his video's, the recent tribunal doesn't do much to improve the perception of poor oversight/planning/running either.

To answer your question, anyone can supply you with a connection and you are free to either add VOIP via the provider, or use your own/3rd party service to preserve the landline, it's a dieing technology, but some people need them still. IDNet run on Zen's network, Aquiss which is basically Martin is good, Zen aren't amazing, but even with the recent fall from grace, they aren't awful, yet.
 
Subliminal Aura said:
Is this better than using the supplied router ?

Also what's latency like ? I'm seeing figures of 8ms in this thread I was expecting between 2 and 4 at the very most
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Depends on where you are, where you are pinging and what's enroute between those things.

Physics limits my pings to London to a minimum of 3.5ms which assumes and perfectly straight single fibre across the country. In reality it's 8-14ms. But I can ping something local and get 1ms.
 
Disco_P said:
Depends on where you are, where you are pinging and what's enroute between those things.

Physics limits my pings to London to a minimum of 3.5ms which assumes and perfectly straight single fibre across the country. In reality it's 8-14ms. But I can ping something local and get 1ms.
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Thanks - I'm in London so expecting 2-4ms will let you know shortly

Fibre installed - stalled with a flashing PON (so says the engineer)
 
My switch from The farce that is now Cuckoo when I was with Giganet to Aquiss should be tomorrow. Assuming the City Fibre engineer turns up to change to ONT for the faster version.
 
There's no connection in the world that you can saturate without it having an impact on latency, run QoS if you want to max a speed test out while keeping pings low.
 
Subliminal Aura said:
Finally installed, not impressed

Latency 5 ms
I get the full up/down speed BUT latency jumps to 30ms on download....
Home consumer ****ed as usual
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Pinging bbc.co.uk [151.101.64.81] with 32 bytes of data:
Reply from 151.101.64.81: bytes=32 time=12ms TTL=57
Reply from 151.101.64.81: bytes=32 time=11ms TTL=57
Reply from 151.101.64.81: bytes=32 time=12ms TTL=57
Reply from 151.101.64.81: bytes=32 time=12ms TTL=57

Ping statistics for 151.101.64.81:
Packets: Sent = 4, Received = 4, Lost = 0 (0% loss),
Approximate round trip times in milli-seconds:
Minimum = 11ms, Maximum = 12ms, Average = 11ms

Pinging bbc.co.uk [151.101.64.81] with 32 bytes of data:
Reply from 151.101.64.81: bytes=32 time=12ms TTL=57
Reply from 151.101.64.81: bytes=32 time=11ms TTL=57
Reply from 151.101.64.81: bytes=32 time=13ms TTL=57
Reply from 151.101.64.81: bytes=32 time=13ms TTL=57

Ping statistics for 151.101.64.81:
Packets: Sent = 4, Received = 4, Lost = 0 (0% loss),
Approximate round trip times in milli-seconds:
Minimum = 11ms, Maximum = 13ms, Average = 12ms
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The first of those is me grabbing data at 130MB/s ish from the internet, essentially uncapped for my profile, the second is moments later on an idle connection, and i'm on a CF ISP, so what you're describing is not what you are inferring.
 
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Subliminal Aura said:
:cry: You're taking a piece of cake mate or do you prefer to be layered in it?

QoS is not a solution, it's a poor compromise
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Joking aside, Chris has tried the polite approach, let me try the direct approach: The problem here is not the connection, it's the user making poor choices, silly statements and demonstrating a complete lack of awareness of what's involved and refusing to accept advice offered from those who do. Good luck.
 
Avalon said:
Joking aside, Chris has tried the polite approach, let me try the direct approach: The problem here is not the connection, it's the user making poor choices, silly statements and demonstrating a complete lack of awareness of what's involved and refusing to accept advice offered from those who do. Good luck.
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Yes the poor choices are to use QoS to regulate a broken product, this is not sound advice.

Lets keep it simple please explain why I don't see ping spikes when maxing out a LAN but do see them when using fibre ?
Is it a problem with the fibre line ?
 
With your maxing the LAN out tests, are you transferring a file from a server connected to an interface faster than the one your client is using, and then testing by pinging the same server during the transfer?
 
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