Clarification on a Ladbrokes football bet?

The main thing is business, £82 is literally nothing to betting shops, continued business or peeing off a customer on a technicality would virtually assure he takes his money to a different chain.

The fact that you wrote your own slip makes a pretty big difference aswell, now the guy who accepted it and didn't ask you to add conditions could be in a bit of dodo with his boss. I don't think outright wins would be particularly lower odds anyway, the big odds game was Brentford, and they would be ultra low odds to win or win outright.
 
drunkenmaster said:
The main thing is business, £82 is literally nothing to betting shops, continued business or peeing off a customer on a technicality would virtually assure he takes his money to a different chain.

The fact that you wrote your own slip makes a pretty big difference aswell, now the guy who accepted it and didn't ask you to add conditions could be in a bit of dodo with his boss. I don't think outright wins would be particularly lower odds anyway, the big odds game was Brentford, and they would be ultra low odds to win or win outright.
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That's another thing that confuses me, Ladbrokes staff are told that anyone wanting to place a football bet on a non-quickslip coupon are told to do just that or they can't take the bet.. :/

Also what I don't understand is they paid you out at full odds for the other 2, yet "to qualify" odds for Brentford. I'd be suspicious if I were them, as Brentford are the only ones who didn't win in 90 minutes, yet they qualified when no particular bet was specified. They should have paid out on all 3 games as "to qualify" if they were to pay out. Very strange indeed.
 
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Interesting.

West Ham to qualify were 7/4
Leicester to qualify were 8/11
Brentford to qualify were 9/4

£2 on that returns £30.88, not £82.

Sorry mate, but something doesn't add up with this.
 
All result bets are 90 minutes.

A draw selection would have seen you win the money.

*edit* just seen that you blagged it, well done.
 
I smell BS.

I wouldn't have thought Ladbrokes would cave in to something like that. Rules are rules and it's up to the punter to know them!
 
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fozzybear said:
I smell BS.

I wouldn't have thought Ladbrokes would cave in to something like that. Rules are rules and it's up to the punter to know them!
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Manager's discretion. He obviously spoke to someone nice. Seeing as he wrote it on his own slip with 'to win' that could be taken as outright, so he got lucky. Chances are they translated it within the system for the outright market as opposed to 90 minutes play. The manager would only really get a slap if they went back into the system to change it after the event had played as that would look like fiddling the system.

Personally, I'd have put that under the 90 minutes play and not paid him. If someone wants outright they tend to tell you, or you ask them if you have a chance to do so.

OP, did you write down your odds?
 
Very bizarre, your bet lost, so he let you just go in, talk to him, change the bet to a winning one, then pay you money?
 
Haven't read the replies but not a chance you will get anything. All bets are, unless otherwise stated, for the result after 90 minutes.
 
Gilly said:
Calling shenanigans.
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As am I, had all 3 teams won in 90 minutes he'd have got the original odds he was expecting of 80/1, theres no chance the bookies would pay out on a different selection or you could spend all day putting down bets on "to win" and then claim you didnt know it only included within 90 mins and effectively get two bets for the price of one.
 
Nix said:
Manager's discretion. He obviously spoke to someone nice. Seeing as he wrote it on his own slip with 'to win' that could be taken as outright, so he got lucky. Chances are they translated it within the system for the outright market as opposed to 90 minutes play. The manager would only really get a slap if they went back into the system to change it after the event had played as that would look like fiddling the system.

Personally, I'd have put that under the 90 minutes play and not paid him. If someone wants outright they tend to tell you, or you ask them if you have a chance to do so.

OP, did you write down your odds?
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Nope, I didnt write any odds down. My slip literally read

West Ham to win
Leicester to win
Brentford to win


As for those smelling BS...It really doesn't bother me, I got a pay out, which was unexpected, and nice. Whether I got lucky, spoke to someone who didnt know the rules, or blagged it somehow, either way, I was paid. As for the odds that I got and the amount I was given, I didnt question it and why would I. He told me how much I was getting and gave me the cash...the last thing I was going to do was say...Are you sure these odds are right? lol.

The guy who served me, wont get into any trouble, as he cleared it with head office first. He then placed it under his system as a 'discretionary payout', so nothing was changed on the system. The only other thing I had to do was fill out a white form that he gave me, with my name address and signiture, along with him having to fill out a section for my ID, along with taking down my drivers license ID number, as there was a section for this too. Then, I got my money. That is all.

At the end of the day, I placed a bet on a seperate slip (which, to whoever said that ladbrokes staff are told not to placed football bets on them and place them on the quickslip....this just isnt true, as I place one pretty much every week on these blank slips. Especially as the quick slips dont cover anywhere near all the matches that are played throughout the world that they accept bets on) This seperate slip stated nothing about the 90 minutes, unlike the quickslips that do. I placed a bet for three teams to win. They all won. This may have been after the 90 minutes, but I never bet on 90 minutes of play. I bet on a final outcome, the final outcome of three wins. The final outcome of the Brentford game was most definitely not a draw, it was a win to Brentford. Therefore all my bets came in, the manager in Ladbrokes accepted this, their head office accepted this and I accepted this. That's all there is to it.
 
weringo said:
As am I, had all 3 teams won in 90 minutes he'd have got the original odds he was expecting of 80/1, theres no chance the bookies would pay out on a different selection or you could spend all day putting down bets on "to win" and then claim you didnt know it only included within 90 mins and effectively get two bets for the price of one.
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You seem to be missing everything I have said.

I never went in telling Ladbrokes that I had no idea it only included within 90 minutes. The first thing I told them was that I was FULLY AWARE that standard bets run for the first 90 minutes of game play. However, my betting slip was never accepted in this way. My bet was accepted by the staff in the shop, as three specific teams to win, of which the three I picked, won and qualified. This is what it said on my betting slip, this is what happened. My slip was accepted in the shop, and seeing as Ladbrokes offer odds on teams to qualify, the manager of the shop did say, that it is the shops responsibility to check the odds for these games and write them on the slip if the customer doesnt, which obviously then represent what bet is being placed. I was never asked, and the bet was just placed. This, I imagine is another reason why I received the payout, due to staff error for not checking my original bet.

Also, you wouldnt be able to go in day after day hoping for a payout, due to as already stated, I should have been asked by staff whqt the bet was to cover, so they could write the odds down, however they didnt. I would imagine that 99% of shops would have asked me, and I would have told them the bet was to win outright, and I would have got paid either way.
 
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You did bet on 90 minutes of play. Obviously you did, hence the odds. If you bet on Brentford to qualify the odds would have been different. You didn't win the bet.
 
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You seem to be missing everything I have said.

I never went in telling Ladbrokes that I had no idea it only included within 90 minutes. The first thing I told them was that I was FULLY AWARE that standard bets run for the first 90 minutes of game play. However, my betting slip was never accepted in this way. My bet was accepted by the staff in the shop, as three specific teams to win, of which the three I picked, won and qualified. This is what it said on my betting slip, this is what happened. My slip was accepted in the shop, and seeing as Ladbrokes offer odds on teams to qualify, the manager of the shop did say, that it is the shops responsibility to check the odds for these games and write them on the slip if the customer doesnt, which obviously then represent what bet is being placed. I was never asked, and the bet was just placed. This, I imagine is another reason why I received the payout, due to staff error for not checking my original bet.

Also, you wouldnt be able to go in day after day hoping for a payout, due to as already stated, I should have been asked by staff whqt the bet was to cover, so they could write the odds down, however they didnt. I would imagine that 99% of shops would have asked me, and I would have told them the bet was to win outright, and I would have got paid either way.
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Thing is, it clearly states in their rule book that:

- If a bet is accepted in error, then the bet will become void and stakes will be returned.

I'm calling bs on the fact you got paid out 80-odd quid. You'd get just over 14/1 on that. £2 on that returns £30. Explain this one?

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(which, to whoever said that ladbrokes staff are told not to placed football bets on them and place them on the quickslip....this just isnt true, as I place one pretty much every week on these blank slips. Especially as the quick slips dont cover anywhere near all the matches that are played throughout the world that they accept bets on)
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Not like my dad's mate is an area manager for Ladbrokes or anything, and have several friends that work for them. :)
 
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It wasnt be who quoted the odds, I was never given the odds in the shop. The odds of 80/1 I was given, was worked out by a friend upon telling him of my bet. I assume, he worked this out based on all teams to win within 90 minutes, not to qualify. So, there were never any odds placed on the bet, or written down on the slip. So the odds never changed, because they were never there in the first place.
 
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