Community Shield spoiler

[ASSE]Hinchy · 10 Aug 2003 at 19:08

Originally posted by Gilly
I thought the keepers both looked decidedly dodgy. And besides, it was a first team debut for both, so what can be said for one can also be said for the other...

Aah, but I was only talking about Howard

hehe.

Originally posted by Gilly
Kirkland and Robinson will be first-choice players this season, so the England keeper IS sorted, and neither of those look dodgy on crosses or long range shots either

Cole will be out of the frame once Bridge starts performing for Chelsea. He's much better IMO.

Originally posted by Gilly
Kirkland and Robinson will be first-choice players this season, so the England keeper IS sorted

Agreed on that. Robinson for now. Kirkland later if he performs regularly and recovers from his injury.

Originally posted by Gilly
neither of those look dodgy on crosses or long range shots either

I can't believe you are actually judging the guy after ONE match in which you have seen him. Have you not seen any of his saves in Man United's tour of America? Or a decent view of the free kick? In which you will see he was at full stretch and it was actually the wall's fault for being poo!

If he is so dodgy on long range shots, how is it that he saved that free kick against Barcelona :confused:

[ Ry ] · 10 Aug 2003 at 19:09

Originally posted by Silent-Lucidity
I don't think you can blame the poor kid for that one error! Probably the first time he's played in a match with a gate over 20k

Sorry but on tour he played in front of gates of 60k +

[ASSE]Hinchy · 10 Aug 2003 at 19:10

Originally posted by Gilly
Apart from that, there was also the longe-range effort from Henry in the first half, which although had no power or accuracy, he took forever to get moving to cover his post.

I noticed this but I remember what the commentators were saying. They mentioned he slipped for Henry's shot, and in the second half when he came running out and intercepted the through ball, remember that? The commentators said he had slipped at first there too, so that could just so easily be the boots he is wearing since he would be used to a drier pitch in the US of A right?

Gilly · 10 Aug 2003 at 19:10

Originally posted by [ASSE]Hinchy
Aah, but I was only talking about Howard hehe.

But I wasn't, I was talking about both

Originally posted by [ASSE]Hinchy
I can't believe you are actually judging the guy after ONE match in which you have seen him. Have you not seen any of his saves in Man United's tour of America? Or a decent view of the free kick? In which you will see he was at full stretch and it was actually the wall's fault for being poo!

I'm not judging him, I'm just amazed that people are getting so carried away with him when from what I saw he had a poor performance.

Originally posted by [ASSE]Hinchy

If he is so dodgy on long range shots, how is it that he saved that free kick against Barcelona

I thought they played Arsenal today? Oh, thats right, they did, and he looked decidedly dodgy against them!

*FLASH* · 10 Aug 2003 at 19:11

Originally posted by Gilly
I'm not blaming anyone, but Howard certainly didn't seem as good as Cudicini, Robinson, Given, Kirkland or Dudek, and thats the level he needs to be at.

I think we will have to give him time

I agree he seemed a bit tense

Gilly · 10 Aug 2003 at 19:12

Originally posted by *FLASH*
I think we will have to give him time

I agree he seemed a bit tense

Indeed.

Can't think that Barthez's career at manyoo is quite over yet though...

JAzz · 10 Aug 2003 at 19:13

Cole was VERY poor today, he is much better than his performance today might suggest

[ASSE]Hinchy · 10 Aug 2003 at 19:13

Originally posted by Gilly
I'm not judging him, I'm just amazed that people are getting so carried away with him when from what I saw he had a poor performance.

I thought they played Arsenal today? Oh, thats right, they did, and he looked decidedly dodgy against them!

They did play Arsenal today. Well done

I'm not getting carried away with his performance, I'm just saying that to blame him alone for the goal and then say he is dodgy on long range shots and crosses is way off. I can think of countless crosses which he did deal with very well today too.

They also played Juventus, Barcelona and a few other teams as well in preseason, where Howard made countless class saves. As you will find if you download clips from links provided by Man United obsessed supporters in the past few days

Gilly · 10 Aug 2003 at 19:14

Originally posted by Jazz
Cole was VERY poor today, he is much better than his performance today might suggest

I would still prefer Bridge for England, especially now he'll be getting CL experience.

[ASSE]Hinchy · 10 Aug 2003 at 19:14

Originally posted by Gilly
I would still prefer Bridge for England, especially now he'll be getting CL experience.

Hell yeah

Go Bridgey!!!

Gilly · 10 Aug 2003 at 19:15

Originally posted by [ASSE]Hinchy
They did play Arsenal today. Well done I'm not getting carried away with his performance, I'm just saying that to blame him alone for the goal and then say he is dodgy on long range shots and crosses is way off. I can think of countless crosses which he did deal with very well today too.

They also played Juventus, Barcelona and a few other teams as well in preseason, where Howard made countless class saves. As you will find if you download clips from links provided by Man United obsessed supporters in the past few days

The thing is, this isn't a spoiler about Juventus, Barcelona or any other matches apart from the community shield, so I withold the right to comment on what I saw in that match TYVM.

Originally posted by [ASSE]Hinchy
Hell yeah Go Bridgey!!! : D

Sorry, I missed an 'S', I meant Bridges

Can't be seen to be agreeing with you

JAzz · 10 Aug 2003 at 19:20

Originally posted by Gilly
I would still prefer Bridge for England, especially now he'll be getting CL experience.

I would probably drop Cole for england as well, he is usually rubbish for england. As long as he performs like he did for us last season i'll be very happy

I was very disappointed with him today though, last season he showed a lot more intelligence at times when reading situations, today he made the same mistakes over and over and over......

Howard wasn't that impressive imo, coz he saved a few pens it will made out like he played a screamer

Considering our main players weren't match fit i think we did ok today. Playing Man Utd is never easy and even with quite a few non first choice players we did ok. Obviously disappointed we lost but they had to take it to penalties to beat us.

[ASSE]Hinchy · 10 Aug 2003 at 19:21

Originally posted by Gilly
The thing is, this isn't a spoiler about Juventus, Barcelona or any other matches apart from the community shield, so I withold the right to comment on what I saw in that match TYVM.

Under those rules then, that Zidane character must be a right crumbler. I saw him miss an 18 yard pass against Thailand today. The guy obviously can't hack the pressure and is a bit dodgy at passing..........

Gilly · 10 Aug 2003 at 19:23

Originally posted by [ASSE]Hinchy
Under those rules then, that Zidane character must be a right crumbler. I saw him miss an 18 yard pass against Thailand today. The guy obviously can't hack the pressure and is a bit dodgy at passing..........

Not at all, I bet he was at the top of his game for the rest of it

Howard's all-round game was a bit dodgy today. Long shots, crossing, his distribution, all things that a top keeper needs to be very good at.

Of course you are right about him needing time to settle in, and that was only his first game on British soil, but I'd expected so much more. Maybe its because he'd been talked up so much.

JAzz · 10 Aug 2003 at 19:25

Originally posted by Gilly
Howard's all-round game was a bit dodgy today. Long shots, crossing, his distribution, all things that a top keeper needs to be very good at.

Long shots :confused:

[ASSE]Hinchy · 10 Aug 2003 at 19:26

Originally posted by Gilly
Howard's all-round game was a bit dodgy today. Long shots, crossing, his distribution, all things that a top keeper needs to be very good at.

Howard's distribution was good :confused:

ONE SHOT beat him in the game, and he's dodgy. Give it another two weeks and I'm sure you will be agreeing with me and the majority, as much as it will hurt you hehe

[ASSE]Hinchy · 10 Aug 2003 at 19:27

Originally posted by Jazz
Long shots

If you are hinting that Howard doesn't shoot from long range.....

I was thinking of doing that myself, but I'm not quite so pedantic

lol

Gilly · 10 Aug 2003 at 19:27

Originally posted by Jazz
Long shots

Yes, long shots.

Originally posted by [ASSE]Hinchy
Howard's distribution was good ONE SHOT beat him in the game, and he's dodgy. Give it another two weeks and I'm sure you will be agreeing with me and the majority, as much as it will hurt you hehe

Twice he kicked it into touch, then he started rolling it to his defenders.

It won't hurt me, because I want the guy to be good. I've put him in my FF team. He's just not the player he was made out to be.

Besides, its not like I'm condemning his career. I'm talking about his performance today.

Originally posted by [ASSE]Hinchy
If you are hinting that Howard doesn't shoot from long range.....

I was thinking of doing that myself, but I'm not quite so pedantic lol

If a keeper is dodgy on long shots and crossing does it mean he can't shoot or cross? No.

*sigh*

Never argue with an idiot. They only drag you down to their level and beat you with experience.

/me leaves thread.

[ASSE]Hinchy · 10 Aug 2003 at 19:34

Originally posted by Gilly
If a keeper is dodgy on long shots and crossing does it mean he can't shoot or cross? No.

*sigh*

Never argue with an idiot. They only drag you down to their level and beat you with experience.

/me leaves thread.

Oh my god, that was a joke aimed at Jazz

He was nit picking so I just joked to him about it.

Gilly, you were arguing with me, you must already be on my level. Be sure that you are definately not above mine or anybody elses though.

tom_w · 10 Aug 2003 at 19:37

So, Howard can be judged after his first ever game in England, in what is essentially a friendly match, in freakishly hot conditions and in front of the biggest crowd he'll have ever played with.

Yet Kirkland is a world class goalkeeper after playing 15 first team games his whole career, with his only 6 clean sheets including giants such as C Palace, Sheff Utd and Vitesse Arn.