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Parkinson1NX

Parkinson1NX

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Hi guy's as you can probably see I'm in need of some help. I'm new to all this and been a console player for years but I have always wanted to buy a PC build.

A couple of things always put me off.

1. What do I actually need? (I'm wanting to play Skyrim, Battlefield and pretty much every other new title.)
2. With my budget what is the best I can possibly get? (£1500 for the build itself, £200/£300 for the monitor @ 1080p/1440p)

I have been looking at a few bundles and pre PC builds and I really don't kow where to start. What is best for me basically? I know that by building a PC myself I would be saving myself some money but I'm not really prepared to it and I don't mind spending a little bit more to have some experienced hands do it for me and with the warranty as well.

Above I listed a couple of thing's but if I were to go into detail then I'm a big fan of RPG titles such as TES and Fallout, enjoy playing FPS games such as Battlefield as well.

When it comes down to playing games like Skyrim then I'll be looking at modding it, all for the graphics basically and I'm still wanting to have it run smoothly at Ultra.

I'll leave a link to a basket that I thought might to the trick but I would really appreciate it if you guy's could give me a point in the right direction so I can enjoy and love my first experience of playing a Gaming PC with having a headache to go along with it. :D

any builds you think will be beastly for £1500 then please share! :)
 
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Build your own... £1800 all in?
Need peripherals and windows or not?
Something like the following represents MUCH better value than buying pre-built

YOUR BASKET
1 x MSI GeForce GTX 980Ti Gaming 6144MB GDDR5 PCI-Express Graphics Card (GTX 980 Ti Gaming 6G) £539.99
1 x Intel i7-5820K 3.30GHz (Haswell-E) Socket LGA2011-V3 Processor - Retail (BX80648I75820K) £311.99
1 x Acer B276HULA 27" 2560x1440 VA Widescreen LED Professional/Gaming Slim Bezel Flicker FREE Monitor - Black £269.99
1 x Gigabyte X99-SLI Intel X99 (Socket 2011) DDR4 ATX Motherboard £179.99
1 x Samsung 500GB 850 EVO SSD 2.5" SATA 6Gbps 32 Layer 3D V-NAND Solid State Drive (MZ-75E500B/EU) £136.99
1 x EVGA SuperNova G1 1000W '80 Plus Gold' Modular Power Supply £129.95
1 x Corsair Carbide 540 High Airflow ATX Cube Case - Black (CC-9011030-WW) £114.95
1 x TeamGroup Elite 16GB (4x4GB) DDR4 PC4-19200C16 2400MHz Quad Channel Kit - Black (TPKD416GM2400HC16QC01) £79.99
Total : £1,794.37 (includes shipping : £25.45 Ex.VAT).

 
NoNameNoNumber said:
Build your own... £1800 all in?
Need peripherals and windows or not?
Something like the following represents MUCH better value than buying pre-built

YOUR BASKET
1 x MSI GeForce GTX 980Ti Gaming 6144MB GDDR5 PCI-Express Graphics Card (GTX 980 Ti Gaming 6G) £539.99
1 x Intel i7-5820K 3.30GHz (Haswell-E) Socket LGA2011-V3 Processor - Retail (BX80648I75820K) £311.99
1 x Acer B276HULA 27" 2560x1440 VA Widescreen LED Professional/Gaming Slim Bezel Flicker FREE Monitor - Black £269.99
1 x Gigabyte X99-SLI Intel X99 (Socket 2011) DDR4 ATX Motherboard £179.99
1 x Samsung 500GB 850 EVO SSD 2.5" SATA 6Gbps 32 Layer 3D V-NAND Solid State Drive (MZ-75E500B/EU) £136.99
1 x EVGA SuperNova G1 1000W '80 Plus Gold' Modular Power Supply £129.95
1 x Corsair Carbide 540 High Airflow ATX Cube Case - Black (CC-9011030-WW) £114.95
1 x TeamGroup Elite 16GB (4x4GB) DDR4 PC4-19200C16 2400MHz Quad Channel Kit - Black (TPKD416GM2400HC16QC01) £79.99
Total : £1,794.37 (includes shipping : £25.45 Ex.VAT).

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Need windows but not peripherals.

With the building it myself part, I really want to try avoid that. Not confident enough do it and for my first Gaming PC I just wanted something I could enjoy and then upgrade components and build it in that respect myself.

If only it was as easy as picking up a console from a shop! :o

but then again if it was that easy it wouldn't be as personnel and as good as it is. :D
 
it's as easy as picking a console from a shop if you want - you just buy pre-built.

however if you can follow the instructions on flatpack furniture you can build a pc on air cooling. It's really, really simple and recommended. You'll want to upgrade it again in the future so why not learn how to put it all together in the first place?

There are loads of tutorials on youtube, and stickied threads on this forum that can help.

You essentially need a case, a motherboard, a cpu, a cpu cooler, a hard drive/ssd, RAM, graphics card and power supply. All the cables you need will come with your power supply and all the basic fans will come with the case.

You need to choose a cpu platform (z97, x99 are popular platforms) and matching motherboard for that cpu. Any graphics card will go in a slot in that motherboard so you just need to choose AMD or Nvidia and the actual card you want.

For 1500 you can build a great spec machine that will last you for years and will play games at 1400p on ultra at 60+ fps and 4k resolution around 30-40fps. It'll smash any console out there and you'll be able to do way more with it :)
 
spulse said:
You essentially need a case, a motherboard, a cpu, a cpu cooler, a hard drive/ssd, RAM, graphics card and power supply. All the cables you need will come with your power supply and all the basic fans will come with the case.

You need to choose a cpu platform (z97, x99 are popular platforms) and matching motherboard for that cpu. Any graphics card will go in a slot in that motherboard so you just need to choose AMD or Nvidia and the actual card you want.

For 1500 you can build a great spec machine that will last you for years and will play games at 1400p on ultra at 60+ fps and 4k resolution around 30-40fps. It'll smash any console out there and you'll be able to do way more with it :)
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It's not understanding what components are fit for the job that puts me off. What goes together and what doesn't go together. With the £1500 budget as well. :(
 
Essentially you have 2 platforms to chose
X99 or Z170 similar price, X99 will last you longer though... (I'm still on 4 year old X79 platform ;)
The 5820k is a 6core/12 thread CPU that will have enough grunt for 5 years+
This board takes DDR4 RAM

The best GPU money can buy is the 980Ti (witout being silly) and that will fit in any motherboard you buy.

The EVGA Power supply is 1000w -plenty- and comes with a 10 year warranty

The case is subjective, find one you like, just make sure it's ATX

A 5820k/980Ti will keep you going for a good few years :)
 
NoNameNoNumber said:
Build your own... £1800 all in?
Need peripherals and windows or not?
Something like the following represents MUCH better value than buying pre-built

YOUR BASKET
1 x MSI GeForce GTX 980Ti Gaming 6144MB GDDR5 PCI-Express Graphics Card (GTX 980 Ti Gaming 6G) £539.99
1 x Intel i7-5820K 3.30GHz (Haswell-E) Socket LGA2011-V3 Processor - Retail (BX80648I75820K) £311.99
1 x Acer B276HULA 27" 2560x1440 VA Widescreen LED Professional/Gaming Slim Bezel Flicker FREE Monitor - Black £269.99
1 x Gigabyte X99-SLI Intel X99 (Socket 2011) DDR4 ATX Motherboard £179.99
1 x Samsung 500GB 850 EVO SSD 2.5" SATA 6Gbps 32 Layer 3D V-NAND Solid State Drive (MZ-75E500B/EU) £136.99
1 x EVGA SuperNova G1 1000W '80 Plus Gold' Modular Power Supply £129.95
1 x Corsair Carbide 540 High Airflow ATX Cube Case - Black (CC-9011030-WW) £114.95
1 x TeamGroup Elite 16GB (4x4GB) DDR4 PC4-19200C16 2400MHz Quad Channel Kit - Black (TPKD416GM2400HC16QC01) £79.99
Total : £1,794.37 (includes shipping : £25.45 Ex.VAT).

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You can get that motherboard/cpu as a bundle. I would go with the G2 version of the EVGA psu as it is a better unit.
Also you need a cpu cooler.
 
Parkinson1NX said:
Is this the correct bundle?

https://www.overclockers.co.uk/showproduct.php?prodid=BU-060-OG&groupid=2833&catid=2512&subcat=3087

:D
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That bundle has an overclocked cpu, so it works out a bit more expensive. If you just get the standard cpu/board bundle, and then add the ram and cooler then it's £38 less.


YOUR BASKET
1 x Gigabyte X99-SLI - Intel Core i7 5820K Six Core CPU & Motherboard Bundle ***50 Saving*** £441.98
1 x Avexir Core White Series 16GB (4x4GB) DDR4 PC4-19200C16 2400MHz Quad Channel Kit (AVD4UZ124001604G-4CIW) - White Light £79.99
1 x Alpenfhn Matterhorn Black CPU Cooler £39.95
Total : £571.52 (includes shipping : £8.00 Ex.VAT).






YOUR BASKET
1 x DEFCON 3x - Gigabyte X99-SLI - Intel Core i7 5820K @ 3.80GHz Overclocked Haswell-E Bundle £479.98
- 1 x TeamGroup Elite 16GB (4x4GB) DDR4 PC4-19200C16 2400MHz Quad Channel Kit - Black (TPKD416GM2400HC16QC01) £79.99
- 1 x Alpenföhn Matterhorn Black CPU Cooler £39.95
Total : £609.52 (includes shipping : £8.00 Ex.VAT).

 
Just chiming in to say I'd really recommend building yourself. You make savings that let you either lower the cost or improve the parts you're building, it's simple enough to build as long as you research well (there are lots of good videos on youtube) and if you have any problems this forum is a great resource for technical queries.

Good luck!
 
building yourself is going to save you money (prebuilds usually come with a big premium due to labour costs) make you learn a new skill...plus it's fun!

pre-built machines come with peace of mind that you can always send it back in one piece if something goes wrong, but remember that all of the components you buy if you self-build also come with individual warranties.

if I were you i'd spend a week researching how to put together all the pieces - youtube channels with build tutorials like pauls hardware and linustechtips are really informative for complete newbies and cover all the basics.

Don't worry too much about breaking anything, for the most part it's a case of slotting/plugging things in, tightening screws and following the manuals.

this build guide sticky is a bit dated but the basics are still the same - give it a read http://forums.overclockers.co.uk/showthread.php?t=18046396

note that you don't really need an optical drive anymore

as for your question about win 8.1 or win 10 - both are considered solid but i'd recommend windows 10 as it supports direct x12 which is a new graphics gubbins that'll take full advantage of cards like the suggested 980ti.
 
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spulse said:
building yourself is going to save you money (prebuilds usually come with a big premium due to labour costs) make you learn a new skill...plus it's fun!

pre-built machines come with peace of mind that you can always send it back in one piece if something goes wrong, but remember that all of the components you buy if you self-build also come with individual warranties.

if I were you i'd spend a week researching how to put together all the pieces - youtube channels with build tutorials like pauls hardware and linustechtips are really informative for complete newbies and cover all the basics.

Don't worry too much about breaking anything, for the most part it's a case of slotting/plugging things in, tightening screws and following the manuals.

this build guide sticky is a bit dated but the basics are still the same - give it a read http://forums.overclockers.co.uk/showthread.php?t=18046396

note that you don't really need an optical drive anymore

as for your question about win 8.1 or win 10 - both are considered solid but i'd recommend windows 10 as it supports direct x12 which is a new graphics gubbins that'll take full advantage of cards like the suggested 980ti.
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Thank you for the above advice and this next question may sound silly, but how will i be connecting to the internet? Will I be needing an adapter etc?

Now maybe people will see why I don't trust myself to build but after watching a couple of videos and reading up I've gathered that the hardest part is putting the CPU onto the mobo? Is that true? Or just a case of being careful?

Just want to say thank you to everyone that has responded to me and thank you to anyone that continues to do so. :D
 
no silly questions just silly answers!

all motherboards come with one or more ethernet ports, so you go from your router to that using an ethernet cable.

Some motherboards come with wifi adapters built in so you'll need to check if the motherboard you're buying has it. If it doesn't and you really want wifi you can always buy a wifi adapter and plug that into the motherboard.

Wifi is good for small pcs or if you're considering moving the pc about a bit - but generally most people just keep their pc in one place and use a physical ethernet cable. This generally gives much more stable/fast net speed performance in comparison with wifi.

Putting the CPU is, for me anyway, the 'hardest' part of building a pc. They're expensive and if you dont know what you're doing yes, it's possible to kill it. BUT! they're also not stupidly fragile, as long as you ground yourself and dont bang the thing about there's very little that can go wrong. Make sure it's seated in the correct way, apply a bit of thermal paste and fix the cooler on, pretty simple.
 
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If going x99 for gaming then you will need to overclock.

Skylake at stock is much better than 5820k at stock for gaming on the whole.

In fact skylake is better than x99 in probably nearly every game unless the x99 chip has been overclocked past the skylake chip. This probably won't be the case forever though but it is worth bearing in mind...this is because clockspeed/IPC trumps number of cores for practically everything once you get to i5 and above.
 
spulse said:
no silly questions just silly answers!

all motherboards come with one or more ethernet ports, so you go from your router to that using an ethernet cable.

Some motherboards come with wifi adapters built in so you'll need to check if the motherboard you're buying has it. If it doesn't and you really want wifi you can always buy a wifi adapter and plug that into the motherboard.

Wifi is good for small pcs or if you're considering moving the pc about a bit - but generally most people just keep their pc in one place and use a physical ethernet cable. This generally gives much more stable/fast net speed performance in comparison with wifi.

Putting the CPU is, for me anyway, the 'hardest' part of building a pc. They're expensive and if you dont know what you're doing yes, it's possible to kill it. BUT! they're also not stupidly fragile, as long as you ground yourself and dont bang the thing about there's very little that can go wrong. Make sure it's seated in the correct way, apply a bit of thermal paste and fix the cooler on, pretty simple.
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Thanks for the above, makes a lot of sense to just having it running from the router, as where I have planned to keep the PC it's about 5m away from the router so no biggy, I can just run the ethernet cable under the carpet next to the the skirting for a nice and net look.

I think I'll keep on reading and watching some "How to build" stuff and try make up my mind. Hopefully I don't over think it and put myself off doing it... again.

Thanks guy's.
 
Parkinson1NX said:
Thank you for the above advice and this next question may sound silly, but how will i be connecting to the internet? Will I be needing an adapter etc?

Now maybe people will see why I don't trust myself to build but after watching a couple of videos and reading up I've gathered that the hardest part is putting the CPU onto the mobo? Is that true? Or just a case of being careful?

Just want to say thank you to everyone that has responded to me and thank you to anyone that continues to do so. :D
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You plug the LAN cable from your internet router into the LAN socket on your motherboard.

CPUs are very easy but very scary to install. Check the pin alignment multiple times and pull the lever down from a stable position. You will almost certainly feel like you are having to pull down harder than you would like?

For me making sure allnthe PSU connectors are in and in the right place causes me the most checking and rechecking.

Front of case to motherboard headers needs good light and eyesight usually.
 
McGraw said:
If going x99 for gaming then you will need to overclock.

Skylake at stock is much better than 5820k at stock for gaming on the whole.

In fact skylake is better than x99 in probably nearly every game unless the x99 chip has been overclocked past the skylake chip. This probably won't be the case forever though but it is worth bearing in mind...this is because clockspeed/IPC trumps number of cores for practically everything once you get to i5 and above.
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Is it possible to dump that down to my level? :confused:
 
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