ConLake Returns - Golden Sample 8700K's.

humbug · 11 Apr 2018 at 13:40

z10m said:
Believe it or not but yes I have watched the whole video.
Silicone Lottery is a retailer and will say anything to sell their stuff.

They sell chips based on what clock speed they can get out of them, the higher the clock speed the more they sell them for.

With that in mind is this just a line you wrote down because it looks like a counter argument? or is it an actual counter argument? there is no obvious logic here, you need to expand on this.

z10m · 11 Apr 2018 at 13:58

Why should we believe what Silicon Lottery says.? If so then maybe we should believe Intel and Nvidia as well.?

humbug · 11 Apr 2018 at 14:51

z10m said:
Why should we believe what Silicon Lottery says.? If so then maybe we should believe Intel and Nvidia as well.?

Intel want us to believe that when you buy their CPU's you get 5Ghz+ out of the box, this is why they send pre-binned golden samples to reviewers.

Nocky24 · 11 Apr 2018 at 18:34

humbug said:
They sell chips based on what clock speed they can get out of them, the higher the clock speed the more they sell them for.

With that in mind is this just a line you wrote down because it looks like a counter argument? or is it an actual counter argument? there is no obvious logic here, you need to expand on this.

I guess if you was going to be super cynical the issue with Silicon Lottery's claims is that they have a vested interest in portraying high clocking 8700Ks as being very difficult to get hold of (or any chip they bin for that matter). It's how they can warrant the high amount they charge for the binned chips and get sales.

humbug · 11 Apr 2018 at 18:39

Nocky24 said:
I guess if you was going to be super cynical the issue with Silicon Lottery's claims is that they have a vested interest in portraying high clocking 8700Ks as being very difficult to get hold of (or any chip they bin for that matter). It's how they can warrant the high amount they charge for the binned chips and get sales.

Right

just one problem with that, they are sold out on the highest clocking most expensive ones, portraying them as difficult to get a hold of is one thing, for that to work you would actually have a continuing supply to sell, quite often they don't. if you don't have any to sell you're not making any money on them.

humbug · 11 Apr 2018 at 18:48

humbug said:
Right just one problem with that, they are sold out on the highest clocking most expensive ones, portraying them as difficult to get a hold of is one thing, for that to work you would actually have a continuing supply to sell, quite often they don't. if you don't have any to sell you're not making any money on them.

Ironic actually that Hardware Unboxed Intel supplied 8700K is a 5.3Ghz processor 'without deliding' and at 1.36v, yet Silicon Lottery can't seem to get a hold of chips as good as that, and Hardware Unboxed want to test the theory that reviewers are getting binned chips? again? huaw?

gavinh87 · 11 Apr 2018 at 19:02

Tin foil hats everywhere!

humbug · 11 Apr 2018 at 19:09

gavinh87 said:
Tin foil hats everywhere!

To think Intel would not like to show their products in the best light is a child like naivety, i say child like because adults should have grown out of the idea that the nice man behind the brand is doing it because he wants to be nice to me.

subbytna · 11 Apr 2018 at 19:14

z10m said:
Believe it or not but yes I have watched the whole video.
Silicone Lottery is a retailer and will say anything to sell their stuff.

Are you Gavin87's other account?

gavinh87 · 11 Apr 2018 at 19:23

Its just another conspiracy. Just like the 8400 not being able to perform in the b360 boards. Guess what? They turned out fine.
Jim is clickbait charlatan

Nocky24 · 11 Apr 2018 at 19:26

humbug said:
Right just one problem with that, they are sold out on the highest clocking most expensive ones, portraying them as difficult to get a hold of is one thing, for that to work you would actually have a continuing supply to sell, quite often they don't. if you don't have any to sell you're not making any money on them.

Fair point

Although leveraging product scarcity to make the item appear more attractive is a good way of creating demand and getting sales when you end up declaring it's in stock. It also helps highlight again how few of these chips are out there. I think I'd be far more inclined to click the buy button if I received an email from them saying that item was now in stock as I'd be afraid on missing out. If it was just in stock all the time I'd probably give it far more thought. That's being super super cynical though

Personally I don't think they're up to no good (Silcon Lottery), I'm just following the videos/articles with interest.

z10m · 12 Apr 2018 at 10:44

Part 2.

nashathedog · 12 Apr 2018 at 12:49

RavenXXX2 said:

I decided to buy an 8700k last week and went with the Gigabyte Auros Ultra gaming motherboard that's mentioned as having issues in this video at 21:58,
I'm disappointed with OCUK as the only reason I went with that motherboard was because it came with a free copy of Far Cry 5 and the game deal was with Version 2 of the motherboard,
OCUK sent me Version 1 which comes without the game code & I then spent all weekend running around trying to work out how I get the game code but couldn't.

humbug · 12 Apr 2018 at 13:09

z10m said:
Part 2.

So none of the CPU's he was given to "disprove Intel binning" quite reached his Intel supplied sample, but most reached over 5Ghz and they were all from the same batch, now heres the thing, when you clock speed chips you use a specific batch, they all just happened to be the same batch?

What he has failed to mention all the while is that 8Pack and Silicon Lottery are selling delided binned chips at the same speeds he claims are just random Retail chips, did he get extremely lucky with his 10 samples to get the same batch best clockers?

nashathedog · 12 Apr 2018 at 13:20

He should have used several sources for buying his cpu's.

Isn't it common knowledge that a cpu batch usually contains cpu's that are closely matched?

And if so how is it he completely ignores that?
So many youtube reviewers fail when it comes to credibility.

humbug · 12 Apr 2018 at 13:26

nashathedog said:
He should have used several sources for buying his cpu's.

Isn't it common knowledge that a cpu batch usually contains cpu's that are closely matched?

And if so how is it he completely ignores that?
So many youtube reviewers fail when it comes to credibility.

They are a business, they need money to keep themselves afloat.

The idea that someone looking at reviews might not actually get what the review suggests is not good for nVidia, AMD, Intel... any vendor, or any retailer, it can hurt sales and most importantly trust, so the idea that Vendors sending reviewers cherry picked hardware cannot and must not stand.

AdoredTV was literally 'out of line' when he proved what is actually obvious if it occurs to you to think about.

My respect for Steve and his channel has just gone down the toilet.

B1gbeard · 12 Apr 2018 at 13:32

humbug said:
So none of the CPU's he was given to "disprove Intel binning" quite reached his Intel supplied sample, but most reached over 5Ghz and they were all from the same batch, now heres the thing, when you clock speed chips you use a specific batch, they all just happened to be the same batch?

What he has failed to mention all the while is that 8Pack and Silicon Lottery are selling delided binned chips at the same speeds he claims are just random Retail chips, did he get extremely lucky with his 10 samples to get the same batch best clockers?

humbug said:
They are a business, they need money to keep themselves afloat.

The idea that someone looking at reviews might not actually get what the review suggests is not good for nVidia, AMD, Intel... any vendor, or any retailer, it can hurt sales and most importantly trust, so the idea that Vendors sending reviewers cherry picked hardware cannot and must not stand.

AdoredTV was literally 'out of line' when he proved what is actually obvious if it occurs to you to think about.

My respect for Steve and his channel has just gone down the toilet.

You are just clutching at straws here and moving goalposts. Batch or not the video shows you can buy retail, non delidded chips that clock over 5ghz. And you are losing respect for Steve because he proved something you don't like?

humbug · 12 Apr 2018 at 13:49

B1gbeard said:
You are just clutching at straws here and moving goalposts. Batch or not the video shows you can buy retail, non delidded chips that clock over 5ghz. And you are losing respect for Steve because he proved something you don't like?

That's called the Silicon Lottery, a very different thing from being guaranteed 5.1Ghz without deliding, they are rare CPU's. do you seriously believe that while some random chip that you get off the shelf is almost guaranteed to do 5 - 5.2Ghz out of the box on an AIO cooler? and that if you scoop an arm full of them they are all the same batch?

You don't believe that AMD, nVidia and Intel want their hardware shown in the best light and would send out the best stuff to be reviewed?
That's a given and most people when thinking about it understand that, but for a reviewer to go out of his way to fake prove they don't, with 10 CPU's he was given, that are all of the same batch and just so happen to be CPU's 8Pack would love to get his hands on? that's a new low.

jigger · 12 Apr 2018 at 14:00

I very much doubt any of the chips would be stable at those speeds once the machine is in a case and under a desk.

B1gbeard · 12 Apr 2018 at 14:20

humbug said:
That's called the Silicon Lottery, a very different thing from being guaranteed 5.1Ghz without deliding, they are rare CPU's. do you seriously believe that while some random chip that you get off the shelf would do 5 - 5.2Ghz out of the box on an AIO cooler? and that if you scoop an arm full of the from the shelf you they are all the same batch?

You don't believe that AMD, nVidia and Intel want their hardware shown in the best light and would send out the best stuff to be reviewed?

That's a given and most people when thinking about it understand that, but a reviewer to go out of his way to fake prove they don't, with 10 CPU's he was given, that are all of the same batch and just so happen to be CPU's 8Pack would love to get his hands on, that's a new low.

The only low is Adored TV's decent into madness with his obsession with Intel. He has created a video refuting what someone who no one takes a blind bit of notice of has stated (no one takes a blind bit of notice of Linus right?) to prove something we already know. He then states that looking at reviews, people would expect to get a 5.1-5.2 overclock. No we wouldn't, because we know that manufacturers send retailers golden samples.

If he had slated Linus then fine, but Intel have given no reason for people to expect any overclock and yet he makes it out to be some great conspiracy of theirs. If it is I await a similar video about golden samples of AMD 2600 and 2700.

Also I imagine Steve is working with what he has. The fact that he was given a random batch and they happen to overclock well shows it's not unusual.