Consequences of crash?

Blue160 said:
Not so IMO. One of the things you need to check for before an overtake is side roads . If there are any don't go!
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Thats true actually - I know the highway code says bikes shouldnt filter past side roads, cant remember what it says about regular overtaking
 
iaind said:
Of course there are situations where overtaking in a 40 is perfectly acceptable. But there's only one circumstance that I can conceive where it wouldn't be the fault of the person overtaking - that is if someone pulled out of a side road on the right.

If he didnt have a clear view and a long enough stretch then he was an idiot for attempting it - it's fairly obvious that he failed on at least one of these things
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I completely agree it is his fault and he has had a major lapse in judgement. I just dont agree with some of the comments made without full knowledge. :)
 
iaind said:
Thats true actually - I know the highway code says bikes shouldnt filter past side roads, cant remember what it says about regular overtaking
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I don't actually care what the Highway Code says in this instance :p Any traffic emerging from a side road won't be looking in your direction, so an overtake past a side road is not safe.
 
Lucky nobody was injured, he could have been over the limit from the night before if it was in the morning. Seems he was overtaking with his eyes shut!
 
apeksdiver said:
Lucky nobody was injured, he could have been over the limit from the night before if it was in the morning. Seems he was overtaking with his eyes shut!
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From the damage, probably doing what a lot of people seem to do - hang 2 foot from the bumper of the car in front, then swing out to overtake

My tactic - keep enough distance to increase your speed BEFORE pulling out. The distance also gives you a better view of the road ahead. That way, if anything surprising comes along, you can stand on the anchors
 
lee1101 said:
What are the consequences for him as the driver at fault?
Just wondered really as not sure what happens after a crash like this.
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Depends upon what the police decide.

Depending upon what the witnesses said, he may or may not be prosecuted. If there was a crowd of people queueing up to tell the police he was driving like a tool he could well be prosecuted.

What for ?

Dangerous Driving is possible, or possibly Driving Without Due Care and Attention. CD10 is up to 9 points and/or a driving ban up to 2 years with a maximum fine of up to £5000 but a more likely ammount of a £400 - £800.

Dangerous Driving .. well could mean prison depending upon if he injured the guy in the other car. 10 Pence Short on PistonHeads famously got jail for Dangerous Driving after doing an overtake that disabled the guy he hit for life.

http://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&f=141&t=629763&i=0
 
Anyone who thinks this would lead to a prison sentence is mistaken. That is highly unlikely even for a dangerous driving charge.
 
wheres the overtake as fast as you can brigade from the porsche thread a few weeks ago? betcha this wouldnt have happened if he was doing 120 :D (oh wait he'd probably be dead along with the people in the other car)
 
True, but that's the case with all driving. If you're not comfortable with overtaking don't do it, but there's nothing wrong with it if your observation and planning are good.
 
Burnsy2023 said:
Anyone who thinks this would lead to a prison sentence is mistaken. That is highly unlikely even for a dangerous driving charge.
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He mentioned his friend had to be cut out of the car , no mention of any injuries to the person he hit.

10 Pence short on PH proved that if you injure somebody severely, and have a queue of people going to the police telling them you drove like a tool - you can indeed go to jail.

His scenario was very similar to this, in fact his was less severe as he wasn't overtaking at the time, just on the wrong side of the white lines as he was pushing on.
 
First offence?

Probably careless driving, some points and a fine.

Embarrassed to say I did exactly the same thing many years ago but got my comeuppance by not having my seat belt on. Ended up wrapping the steering wheel round the dashboard with my chest, headbutted the windscreen out and flew into the road.

I was in so much shock that I walked back to my car with blood pouring out of my face, grabbed by cigarettes and lent against my car and sparked one up. I had also split my petrol tank and was standing in a pool of petrol. Luckily someone grabbed me and dragged me away. :o

He will learn. My accident wounds still cause me trouble nearly 20 years later.
 
Certainly sounds like a dangerous overtake, probably in a place he shouldn't have done it.

@PApa, just because it's his first offence doesn't mean it would stay at careless, my crash which was at a higher speed (I was doing 50, car the other way doing 60) and caused less damage (glanced more than head-on). The police went with the original intention of pushing for dangerous driving on my part, mainly due to dodgy witness reports despite my own statement in my opinion - that's life.

@OP, he's lucky to be walking away from that. If it was a NSL road, he probably wouldn't be walking for quite a while.

Getting let off is unlikely. Depending on the injury to the other party, it will likely be points for driving without due care and attention unless there are sufficient reports to suggest otherwise, and a hefty fine. Better chance of a 6 month / year ban than doing prison time though...
 
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