Considering drop in upgrade from 1700X to 5800X3D

Muzzza · 25 Feb 2023 at 18:57

Great upgrade, hope you did a before and after bench.

danlightbulb · 25 Feb 2023 at 19:12

Muzzza said:
Great upgrade, hope you did a before and after bench.

Cinebench r23 8266 to c.14600, so +77% for five years newer tech.

Always feels like CPU upgrades don't do a great deal doesn't it, unlike GPU upgrades.

danlightbulb · 25 Feb 2023 at 19:29

Oh also the new CPU has made me eligible for windows 11 upgrade - should I or not?

Muzzza · 25 Feb 2023 at 19:58

danlightbulb said:
Oh also the new CPU has made me eligible for windows 11 upgrade - should I or not?

Its OK. just takes time to make it look like win10.

J.D · 26 Feb 2023 at 07:05

danlightbulb said:
Cinebench r23 8266 to c.14600, so +77% for five years newer tech.

Always feels like CPU upgrades don't do a great deal doesn't it, unlike GPU upgrades.

You just see numbers change on CPU benchmarks. When your gaming, especially on games that benefit from a better CPU, it feels better, looks smoother and uses a lot more of your GPU.

I had 5600x before, moved to 5800x3d and the increase in performance in Escape from Tarkov was mindblowing with the same GPU (3080 in sig which isn't far from your 3070). Averages were up but the mins made the game so smooth in parts of maps that gave me problems were more than double than before. It was a game changer. In Hell Let Loose, not as great a leap as Tarkov but substantial improvements. Assetto Corsa on my Steam account I've still to try but 5800x3D is one of the best CPUs for that game still to this day. If you're playing games that a 5600x (or your x1700 which I doubt) could give you 90%+ GPU utilisation then you won't feel much of a difference but I doubt your x1700 was up to the task of getting the best out of your GPU.

If you're playing at 4k, then it's more on the GPU but I'd still say a 5600x/5700x and especially the 5800x3D will give you better mins than your x1700 and that's the most important factor because that's when games become sluggish, when dipping in to levels below 60 FPS, more so with high refresh rate. Even at 1440p 165Hz I was really impressed with the change from a 5600x to 5800x3D.

danlightbulb · 26 Feb 2023 at 12:39

Just upgraded my Phanteks p400 case with a mesh front panel from ocuk, airflow loads better and dropped idle temp by nearly 10c on it's own.

danlightbulb · 26 Feb 2023 at 20:17

stooeh said:
If you don't have the option in your current BIOS and there's no newer one to try then you can always do it in windows using the PBO2 Tuner app.

I have experimented with this but Im unsure what its doing so I need some advice.

Here are my test results in Cinebench R23 running a 10 minute multicore test:

Test setting in PBO2 Tuner	CPU clock	Temperature	Cinebench score
0 (stock)	4225	74	14211
-10	4322	77	14590
-15	4370	79	14751

Have I misunderstood what this was supposed to do, because I though undervolting the CPU would reduce temperatures and power consumption not increase them?

The CPU is boosting higher and getting a better score, but at the expense of more temperature so Im not sure if this is good?

Bragmister · 26 Feb 2023 at 20:26

danlightbulb said:
I have experimented with this but Im unsure what its doing so I need some advice.

Here are my test results in Cinebench R23 running a 10 minute multicore test:

Test setting in PBO2 Tuner CPU clock Temperature Cinebench score
0 (stock) 4225 74 14211
-10 4322 77 14590
-15 4370 79 14751

Have I misunderstood what this was supposed to do, because I though undervolting the CPU would reduce temperatures and power consumption not increase them?

The CPU is boosting higher and getting a better score, but at the expense of more temperature so Im not sure if this is good?

The CPU has a maximum temperature headroom. Since it is boosting higher that means it is getting it.

It is a win for you since you are getting more performance.

Try dropping it to -20, -25 and -30.

danlightbulb · 26 Feb 2023 at 20:33

Bragmister said:
The CPU has a maximum temperature headroom. Since it is boosting higher that means it is getting it.

It is a win for you since you are getting more performance.

Try dropping it to -20, -25 and -30.

If more performance comes with more temperature and power usage though, isn't that bad? I don't want to run it hotter and risk it's lifespan being deteriorated? I thought undervolting was supposed to make it run cooler?

Bragmister · 26 Feb 2023 at 20:44

danlightbulb said:
If more performance comes with more temperature and power usage though, isn't that bad? I don't want to run it hotter and risk it's lifespan being deteriorated? I thought undervolting was supposed to make it run cooler?

It will. Once it stablizes at 4.5ghz the temperature will drop.

I am running it with an air cooler at 85'C and it is designed for that.

danlightbulb · 26 Feb 2023 at 21:44

Bragmister said:
Try dropping it to -20, -25 and -30.

Ok here's the full results - I didn't crash at -30 on Cinebench 10 minute test.

Test setting in PBO2 Tuner	CPU clock	Temperature	Cinebench R23 score
0 (stock)	4225	74	14211
-10	4322	77	14590
-15	4370	79	14751
-20	4405	80	14878
-25	4430	78	14953
-30	4449	77	15039

Don't understand whats physically happening here for temperature to go up initially then start to fall back at the more negative settings.

Also CPU is boosting to just about 4.45 GHz. I don't think it will reach 4.5.

stooeh · 26 Feb 2023 at 22:07

The max is basically 4.45 during actual usage and can see you are able to hit that with -30 on the PBO2. Surprised it runs hotter at -10 compared to stock but perhaps there was some other limiter there

danlightbulb · 26 Feb 2023 at 22:18

stooeh said:
The max is basically 4.45 during actual usage and can see you are able to hit that with -30 on the PBO2. Surprised it runs hotter at -10 compared to stock but perhaps there was some other limiter there

I didn't write the figures down, but the increasing temperature initially was correlated with an increase in power consumption. It basically went from around 95 to 100 to 105 W reported in Ryzen Master in the first three tests, then in the later tests the power consumption reduced as did the temperature.

uscool · 26 Feb 2023 at 22:24

danlightbulb said:
Ok here's the full results - I didn't crash at -30 on Cinebench 10 minute test.

Test setting in PBO2 Tuner CPU clock Temperature Cinebench R23 score
0 (stock) 4225 74 14211
-10 4322 77 14590
-15 4370 79 14751
-20 4405 80 14878
-25 4430 78 14953
-30 4449 77 15039

Don't understand whats physically happening here for temperature to go up initially then start to fall back at the more negative settings.

Also CPU is boosting to just about 4.45 GHz. I don't think it will reach 4.5.

It's bs marketing, mostly in workloads it's 4.45 , only hits it in extremely light loads the odd occasion

Acolyte · 1 Mar 2023 at 13:56

You'll notice it can boost upto 4.55Ghz under lighter sporadic loads

danlightbulb · 10 Mar 2023 at 10:43

I cant get PBOtuner to run from the startup folder. Its set as 'on' in the startup app list, its got admin permissions, and it has the command line arguments for -30 all cores.

It just won't run on startup. Any ideas? It runs if I manually run it, so the link and path works. I do get a pop up though asking for permission to run, so maybe that is stopping it running on its own?

Anth-h90 · 10 Mar 2023 at 11:42

danlightbulb said:
I cant get PBOtuner to run from the startup folder. Its set as 'on' in the startup app list, its got admin permissions, and it has the command line arguments for -30 all cores.

It just won't run on startup. Any ideas? It runs if I manually run it, so the link and path works. I do get a pop up though asking for permission to run, so maybe that is stopping it running on its own?

Have you followed the steps shown in the GitHub link and used windows task scheduler to create the triggers for system startup and wake? If you have it might be worth double checking to make sure in the conditions and settings tab all the needed check boxes are selected

https://github.com/PrimeO7/How-to-u...X3D-Guide-with-PBO2-Tuner/blob/main/README.md

danlightbulb · 10 Mar 2023 at 17:52

Anth-h90 said:
Have you followed the steps shown in the GitHub link and used windows task scheduler to create the triggers for system startup and wake? If you have it might be worth double checking to make sure in the conditions and settings tab all the needed check boxes are selected

https://github.com/PrimeO7/How-to-u...X3D-Guide-with-PBO2-Tuner/blob/main/README.md

No I followed the other approach which is to create a program shortcut and put that shortcut in the windows startup folder. This should work, but isn't.

freddie64 · 11 Mar 2023 at 08:29

Wish i did not get a 5800X now.

Would not mind getting a 5800X3D myself, but can't justify the outlay.

Maybe one day if they become a lot cheaper (even SH).

But i tend to agree with J.D.

J.D said:
Since the X3D is the last AM4 CPU to be released and is very popular still, I don't think it will be coming down much.

Awahwah · 11 Mar 2023 at 10:42

I’ve just picked one up coming from a non 3D.

It’s an ok chip and I only picked it up as I had some balance to use at another on line store.

Do I regret it, no. I see some improvements in what I use it for and less in others.

For me, it will be a short stop gap to AM5.