'Contact lost' with Malaysia Airlines plane

MikeTheNative said:
I think it's tin foil for a large multi national company to purposely shoot down and airplane and kill 200 odd people.
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There's absolutely no way you could get away with it, surely.

Like the US govt being able to blow up the Twin Towers and conceal the whole operation. Just not going to happen.

Doesn't stop people believing tho ;)
 
Tuppy_Glossop said:
I think somebody mentioned it about fifty pages back. IIRC it fell down because the names on the patent didn't appear on the passenger manifest. I don't think it's tin foil hat to imagine that a business might act criminally to protect its future revenue, nominally on behalf of the shareholders.
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It didn't fall down. Rothschild told MA to alter the passenger manifest.
 
I know it is a MASSIVE search area, and it may be the wrong location, but still no wreckage! Not one bit, yet! I understand it is like looking for a needle in a haystack but such a bizarre disappearance.

Mate was saying today that they can tag a dolphin or shark and spot where it is but even in todays technological age they can lose a massive airoplane!
 
koolpc said:
I know it is a MASSIVE search area, and it may be the wrong location, but still no wreckage! Not one bit, yet! I understand it is like looking for a needle in a haystack but such a bizarre disappearance.

Mate was saying today that they can tag a dolphin or shark and spot where it is but even in todays technological age they can lose a massive airoplane!
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A shark or dolphin doesn't obliterate into tonnes of pieces when it hit the water a plane does so finding anything working like a black box pinger is a bit of a miricle
 
Russinating said:
It's funny because most conspiracy theories surround events which are so ridiculously OTT they'd only ever happen in a film. There's easier and more subtle ways of destroying a patent (or whatever this conspiracy is) than bringing down an entire plane full of innocents.

These, for example... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Poisoning_of_Alexander_Litvinenko and http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Kelly_(weapons_expert)#Death
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I suppose it depends if you think four separate deaths are more, or less, suspicious than four at the same time (hidden alongside 235 others).
 
koolpc said:
How big is the transmitter on a dolphin? With todays technology they could easily have fitted multiple devices to an aeroplane for a tiny cost. Or, place a dolphin in the hold of every plane!! lol
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The transmitters are relatively cheap I think, and pretty small (think 2 or 3 D cell maglite), but they're only got limited endurance and range, and you really don't want too many of them as whilst it may make it easier to find some wreckage (in theory), it could also make it much harder to find useful wreckage underwater, so you fit them to the bits that are most likely to remain in a single piece and be useful to the investigation (the black boxes).
From what I've seen they tend to be strapped/bolted onto the recorders quite securely, but with ease or replacement in mind.

I've heard some suggestion that the beacon on the flight may have been near/past it's routine replacement date, which could make problems for it's endurance (and could also be a sign of other maintenance issues, which might explain part of the reason the airline and government were so quick to point the finger at the pilot early on).
 
The transmitters fitted to Dolphins are radio transmitters. The SLB on the Black box is ultra sonic. Generally planes crashing in the sea means they sink to the bottom where a low powered radio transmitter will be of no use. A dolphin breathes air so surfaces so a signal can be located.
 
Tuppy_Glossop said:
I suppose it depends if you think four separate deaths are more, or less, suspicious than four at the same time (hidden alongside 235 others).
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Well they were all travelling together, so why not crash the car instead <tinfoilhat> like diana </tinfoilhat>. Just as accidental, if not more so. And it certainly wouldn't make international news.

Anyway, I digest...
 
They seem to be insinuating the plane was hijacked and circled for a while.

They also say the frequency of the pulse they picked up isn't exactly the same as the 37.x frequency that is for a black box, but assume that its a slight drift in the signal as the battery runs out.

Meanwhile, the Malaysian PR mishandler keeps going on about finding people alive still being a possibility. After 30 days I couldn't really think of a bigger impossibility, I mean I hope im wrong, but food, water etc for 30 days isn't exctly easy to come by in the middle of the indian ocean.
 
So many 'ifs' in this event it's hard to keep track. A poster on the pilot rumour forum mentioned that if the plane was found intact there's a chance that their phones/cameras may be recoverable. The footage from the SD cards (if the passengers weren't incapacitated early in the flight) could be quite chilling stuff. Imagine people trying to gain entry to the cockpit etc...

Thoughts to the families, I hope they get closure soon.
 
No new signals heard and not surprisingly:

Plans to send a submarine to probe the deep ocean for the remains of Malaysia Airlines flight MH370 have been put on hold until another signal is received, or it is certain the batteries in the black box recorder have expired
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The Running Man said:
To be fair they are going slow.

if they had the sonar pinger out from day one they might have picked up the signal weeks ago.
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Not at all, considering where they've looked over the course of the investigation they wouldn't have found anything at all because the boats would have been looking in completely the wrong place. The fact the boats seemed to have picked up a signal pretty quickly is down to them narrowing the search location down massively.
 
I never really thought that these 'pings' were credible in the first place... Given the depth of the ocean I find it unlikely that they would be detectable, even with specialised equipment. It is also highly suspect they have been able to detect pings yet not found a trace of debris.
 
rubberduck said:
I never really thought that these 'pings' were credible in the first place... Given the depth of the ocean I find it unlikely that they would be detectable, even with specialised equipment. It is also highly suspect they have been able to detect pings yet not found a trace of debris.
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They were saying in the news that the signal can travel quite far underwater. Does anyone know roughly how far it would be? I'd have put my money on 'not very'.
 
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