'Contact lost' with Malaysia Airlines plane


An interesting development though not surprising at all. Reddit worked this one out years ago...

TLDR; to the massive Reddit thread I posted a while back - pilot, who's very ****ed off with Malaysian government and depressed, downs the jet on purpose having researched the deepest part of the ocean in which to do it.

If he was that annoyed why not do something more visible?
 
If he was that annoyed why not do something more visible?

Captain Zaharie Ahmad Shah is sitting at home, feeling very depressed. As he sits at his flight simulator computer set up, he ponders his life. His first love is flying. He has a long and distinguished career flying for Malaysian Airlines, but recently, he had been put on leave and wasn’t flying (this information originated from his friends inside a Malay language forum. They say that he was on leave due to personal problems). He felt humiliated.

Another factor leading to his despondent nature is that his political hopes and dreams have been dashed again, as the person he supports, Anwar Ibrahim, has again been allegedly thwarted by the Malaysian government Article, “Captain Zaharie Ahmad Shah was an ‘obsessive’ supporter of Malaysia’s opposition leader, Anwar Ibrahim. And hours before the doomed flight left Kuala Lumpur it is understood 53-year-old Shah attended a controversial trial in which Ibrahim was jailed for five years. Campaigners say the politician, the key challenger to Malaysia’s ruling party, was the victim of a long-running smear campaign and had faced trumped-up charges. Police sources have confirmed that Shah was a vocal political activist – and fear that the court decision left him profoundly upset. It was against this background that, seven hours later, he took control of a Boeing 777-200 bound for Beijing and carrying 238 passengers and crew.”

Captain Shah had placed all his faith and support behind Anwar Ibrahim, the Leader of Opposition of Malaysia (Pakatan Rakyat), and an internationally renowned speaker on the subjects of democracy, freedom, governance, Islam and the need for accountability, and a relation of the Captain through marriage. Anwar has had his own difficulties. He had been accused in 1999 by Prime Minister Mahathir of being a homosexual at a news conference in Malaysia, which he later successfully sued for defamation. Again in 2008, allegations were made by an aide against Anwar of alleged homosexual acts.

On 21 March 2011 another accusation was made against Anwar of homosexual acts when a sex video appeared which claimed to feature Anwar Ibrahim. A day after that, Anwar Ibrahim denied his involvement in the incident and filed a police complaint. Homosexuality (more specifically sodomy) in Malaysia is a crime which will imprison anyone found guilty for up to 20 years, and also potentially exposes them to strokes of the cane and a fine. Anwar was an outspoken critic of these laws and called them "archaic”. Anwar maintained that he does not advocate legalizing homosexuality or making gay marriage permissible — only that the laws should be amended to ensure private affairs are not penalized. "It is not my business to attack people or arrest people based on their sexual orientation," he said. "Morality is in the public sphere, not beyond that."

Being grounded from the flying he loves most, and with his political hopes and dreams now dashed once more, he decides the only thing left to do is to take his own life in a way that will punish the government he despises, and the government owned airline that was punishing him for his political views and allegiances.

But how can he punish the airline and government, but at the same time, keep his honor intact. Just crashing a plane will be revealed by the crash investigators as a suicide (as has been demonstrated in other commercial pilot investigations). He comes up with a plan to commit suicide by crashing a commercial flight, but in a way that the wreckage is never found. That way, investigators could not determine that the crash was a deliberate action on his part.

That's just the first part of it...

 

An interesting development though not surprising at all. Reddit worked this one out years ago...

TLDR; to the massive Reddit thread I posted a while back - pilot, who's very ****ed off with Malaysian government and depressed, downs the jet on purpose having researched the deepest part of the ocean in which to do it.

I watched a documentary on this ages ago.
 
If the plane shattered into pieces how does the landing gear housing tell you that. Just because they found the damaged door does not necessarily indicate it was down nor that anyone nose dived the plane into the ocean.

Its a bit too much of a leap.
 
If the plane shattered into pieces how does the landing gear housing tell you that. Just because they found the damaged door does not necessarily indicate it was down nor that anyone nose dived the plane into the ocean.

Its a bit too much of a leap.

Shattered?
Planes arent made of glass you know...

There are certain models and tests that have been done that will, within a certain degree of error, show how things happened based on what they know from the bits they have found so far.
 
I just read the article (maybe a different one from the one posted above, as it's behind a paywall) about lowering the landing gear indicating crimial intent by the Captain. I have to say I think its a load of nonsense. There could be many reason why the gear was lowered prior to touch down - to suggest it was part of a suicide attempt with only the information stated in the article seems to be reaching way too far.
 
I just read the article (maybe a different one from the one posted above, as it's behind a paywall) about lowering the landing gear indicating crimial intent by the Captain. I have to say I think its a load of nonsense. There could be many reason why the gear was lowered prior to touch down - to suggest it was part of a suicide attempt with only the information stated in the article seems to be reaching way too far.

Yeah but.... we know a lot more than what's in the article.

We know the captain was depressed. We know that the plane flew for seven hours on a course which was way off its intended course. We know that the transponder was turned off so the plane couldn't be tracked. We know that pilots can do ridiculously selfish things when they're depressed like kill the entire crew and passenger list.

I don't think it's a reach at all to say it was suicide. To me it's the most likely explanation.
 
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Article is behind a paywall so I can't read it. What reason is given for why the captain lowered the landing gear over the ocean?

Also if he was grounded from flying for supposed personal problems, how was he back in a plane again without some kind of detailed assessment?
 
Here is another article on this which is freely readable:

"The crash of MH370 was anything but a soft landing on the ocean."

The report claims the combination of the high-speed impact designed to break up the aircraft and the extended landing gear designed to sink the aircraft as quickly as possible both show a "clear intent to hide the evidence of the crash".

Pilots do not usually lower the undercarriage if they have to perform an emergency landing on water, as the extended landing gear will dig into the water and disrupt contact with the surface, increasing the chances of a catastrophic break-up as the aircraft slows.

 
To me its putting two and two together and making five.

There are any number of reasons the gear could be lowered.

-Mechanical failure: There is no indication whether the gear was partially or fully extended, there are mechanical failures which could explain an extended landing gear.
-Structural failure: In the event of a suspected structural failure and the need to descend to a safe altitide quickly (for example a bomb going off onboard), the crew could have elected to lower the gear to increase the rate of descent without increasing airspeed.
-An unqualified crew member tried to land the plane: The landing as described sounds a lot like it could have been done by cabin crew member out of desperation (see the Helios crash)
-Also, the idea to lower the gear over the ocean to increase the likelyhood of the aircraft sinking seems strange - I can think of much better ways to sink an aircraft if that was my intention.

These are just off the top of my head - I'm sure there are many others.

...I don't think it's a reach at all to say it was suicide. To me it's the most likely explanation.

Its the easiest explanation - there's a difference.
 
To me its putting two and two together and making five.

There are any number of reasons the gear could be lowered.

-Mechanical failure: There is no indication whether the gear was partially or fully extended, there are mechanical failures which could explain an extended landing gear.
-Structural failure: In the event of a suspected structural failure and the need to descend to a safe altitide quickly (for example a bomb going off onboard), the crew could have elected to lower the gear to increase the rate of descent without increasing airspeed.
-An unqualified crew member tried to land the plane: The landing as described sounds a lot like it could have been done by cabin crew member out of desperation (see the Helios crash)
-Also, the idea to lower the gear over the ocean to increase the likelyhood of the aircraft sinking seems strange - I can think of much better ways to sink an aircraft if that was my intention.

These are just off the top of my head - I'm sure there are many others.



Its the easiest explanation - there's a difference.

Yes, but you're not looking at the whole picture. You're looking at a brushstroke.
 
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I am pretty sure autopilot can activate landing gear. I imagine it is triggered by altitude.

Manual, apparently:


All landing gear that I know of are all controlled by the pilots. I have never heard of an "automatic landing gear" as you describe it.

As some comments below say, there is one airplane that has/had an automatic gear (Piper Arrow) but it was not really the brightest idea because it could cause in-flight problems if not handled properly.

That SMS von der Tann guy must know his onions about flying, to be honest. To get one gold badge on Stack Exchange is pretty good, to get nine is very impressive.
 
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