'Contact lost' with Malaysia Airlines plane

[Cosimo]

Its confirmed that North Korea fired a missile.

They launched a flying pig and it only made it into the next field.

 

[Tefal]

At the moment the North Korea missile one is perhaps the most likely! Especially as a week before they launched one that's trajectory would have gone through a Chinese planes flight path.

Could a missile, if it was a certain size/power simply obliterate a plane like that? This would account for the lack of debris. If it was literally blown into loads of tiny pieces then it may end up being very hard to find any trace of it.

Incredible bit of bad luck if that is the case!

No, a missile would make masses of debris. More so than a crash as it would cause it to break up a lot.

apparently there are very string undercurrents in that region and planes have been lost before with wreckage found by fishermen but gone by the time investigators arrived.

 

[Energize]

Dupid Queschon here....

If the black box were say covered in lead could a signal still get through? Or could the black box have had total failure and perhaps caught fire or exploded and destroyed the planes equipment!

Lead doesn't block radio waves.


Maybe this incident will cause airlines to come to the same conclusion that everyone else did 50 years ago which is that aeroplanes need proper physically isolated transponders that are independently powered, cannot be switched off, and are fire and crash proof like the black boxes. It's embarrassing that we can send people into space and even onto the moon yet we don't fit old tried and tested electronics onto aeroplanes with hundreds of people on board.

 

[JamesG87]

I have been on http://www.tomnod.com/nod/challenge/malaysiaairsar2014/map/23329

looking for about 1 hour and I think I may have found something in the water..

 

[touch]

aeroplanes need proper physically isolated transponders that are independently powered, cannot be switched off, and are fire and crash proof like the black boxes

You dont need to bother with all the crash-proof, fire-proof stuff. Just stream the blackbox data + location data live via a satellite.

That way you'd always know where the plane is and you wouldnt need to wait until the black box has been recovered to figure out what happened.

 

[Tuppy_Glossop]

Transponders need to be switched off at ground level. They also need input from the pilot. If the pilot has an interface then it probably can be compromised from there.

 

[Reaper 392]

*Edit*
i really ought to hit refresh more often

it would be helpful if you could zoom in a bit further on that tomnod site. i know it would make everything a bit pixellated, but it would still help

 

[touch]

Transponders need to be switched off at ground level. They also need input from the pilot. If the pilot has an interface then it probably can be compromised from there.

From the context, i'd guess he is talking about some sort of locator beacon rather than a transponder?
I cant think why you'd need an independently-powered, fire-proof, crash-proof transponder?

 

[Tuppy_Glossop]

From the context, i'd guess he is talking about some sort of locator beacon rather than a transponder?
I cant think why you'd need an independently-powered, fire-proof, crash-proof transponder?

Reuse is about the only possible reason I can imagine. Planes have an ELT which is what I think he describes.

 

[Iraklis F.C.]

chinese might have found something

http://avherald.com/img/malaysia_b772_9m-mro_gulf_of_thailand_140308_5.jpg

http://avherald.com/img/malaysia_b772_9m-mro_gulf_of_thailand_140308_4.jpg

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[Tuppy_Glossop]

AV Herald has been pretty bang on with their info so far

 

[Lysander]

chinese might have found something

http://avherald.com/img/malaysia_b772_9m-mro_gulf_of_thailand_140308_5.jpg

http://avherald.com/img/malaysia_b772_9m-mro_gulf_of_thailand_140308_4.jpg

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And what exactly are we looking at here?

 

[Jimbeam3678]

chinese might have found something

http://avherald.com/img/malaysia_b772_9m-mro_gulf_of_thailand_140308_5.jpg

http://avherald.com/img/malaysia_b772_9m-mro_gulf_of_thailand_140308_4.jpg

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Am I being stupid those pics are from 9th March

 

[Glaucus]

Am I being stupid those pics are from 9th March

Late Mar 12th 2014 China's State Administration of Science (SASTIND) reported, they discovered three large objects sized 13x18, 14x19 and 24x22 meters at position N6.7 E105.63 (121nm eastsoutheast of the last known secondary radar position), all three objects within a radius of 20km (11nm) and published the satellite images, taken on Mar 9th 2014 at 11:00 Beijing time (03:00Z), see below. SASTIND stated they are committed to provide further search services to locate flight MH-370.

Wonder how fast they can get search planes out there.

 

[Tuppy_Glossop]

Surely the engines must sink pretty sharpish. They can't have drifted far.

 

[Zbornak]

chinese might have found something

http://avherald.com/img/malaysia_b772_9m-mro_gulf_of_thailand_140308_5.jpg

http://avherald.com/img/malaysia_b772_9m-mro_gulf_of_thailand_140308_4.jpg

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Dead link!

 

[Iraklis F.C.]

And what exactly are we looking at here?

ask the chinese

 

[BuffetSlayer]

Dead link!

Just type www. in front of the link when it opens in your browser and it will get you there (or should do)

 

[Zbornak]

Link working now!

 

[Jimbeam3678]

Late Mar 12th 2014 China's State Administration of Science (SASTIND) reported, they discovered three large objects sized 13x18, 14x19 and 24x22 meters at position N6.7 E105.63 (121nm eastsoutheast of the last known secondary radar position), all three objects within a radius of 20km (11nm) and published the satellite images, taken on Mar 9th 2014 at 11:00 Beijing time (03:00Z), see below. SASTIND stated they are committed to provide further search services to locate flight MH-370.

Wonder how fast they can get search planes out there.

So I ask again they were taken 3 days ago and they have only come to light now ? I've had a long day at work so have I missed something ?