Controller versus mouse and KB

Also I'm not sure what you're talking about when you say using a controller has a more realistic and immersive feel. When I play an FPS with a keyboard and mouse it's almost like I'm holding a gun with my mouse hand, when using a controller it just feels like I'm simply moving a crosshair around the screen with a joystick.

Using a controller is reasonably close to what its like holding a handgun/pistol.
Holding a mouse is nothing like firing any handgun, rifle or shotgun I've ever used, heck my mouse doesn't even have rumble to simulate recoil.
 
Well, I don't mind using a pad on a single player FPS at all. But when it comes to mutliplayer, a controller will never cut it IMO.

Except a controller DOES cut it, it works brilliantly when everyone else is using a controller too. The level playing field it offers is brilliant.

Also, atpbx is wrong, I played PC FPS games for many, many years at a high standard, practice makes perfect. I can enjoy a game on either just as much.

People say M&K works better all the time, if that's true, why do R6: Vegas, GRAW, GRAW2, Halo and Halo2 all feel infinitely superior with a control pad?
 
Online multiplayer is a different ball game, with spawn points constantly changing, unpredictable location and number of enemies around every corner. You have to be quick with your movement, I am sure most people here have played in a clan on online FPS on the PC, I don't need to spell it out for you to know how quick a mouse can be use for turning and aiming and how slow (in comparison) the pad is.
Odd, here's me thinking Halo 2 was massively popular... Strange...
Don't I recall a few years ago a bunch people hacked their way into Quake online on the Dreamcast with their PC and totally wipe the floor with the Dreamcast users ?
I never said it wasn't easier with a mouse and keyboard. Does easier mean better?
I take it you play through all your games on 'easy' difficulty?
 
It's like Team Fortress 2, you just won't be able to run around so fast as a Scout while turning around and aiming so easily with any controller.

Sure, but bare in the mind the whole game will probably play differently when every player is using a pad. I personally think TF2 is more suited to a mouse and got the game for the pc, CoD4 i'm certainly getting on the 360 and the thought of Halo 3 with a mouse is all wrong.

when using a controller it just feels like I'm simply moving a crosshair around the screen with a joystick.

It's quite the opposite for me. With a mouse it feels like i'm moving a cursor around and pushing a button untill people fall over. With a pad - taking careful aim, squeezing the trigger and feeling the rumble - it feels far more like firing a real weapon. The speed is also more realistic. Fire a real rifle and it takes time and concentration to hit your target - similar to with a pad - using a mouse results in far, far quicker aiming and is more like opening a folder in windows. Flick, shoot, rinse and repeat.
 
Except a controller DOES cut it, it works brilliantly when everyone else is using a controller too. The level playing field it offers is brilliant.

Also, atpbx is wrong, I played PC FPS games for many, many years at a high standard, practice makes perfect. I can enjoy a game on either just as much.

Well IMO it doesn't. It just doesn't have the speed and precision that is required for high level competitive play and the ability to pull off shots that truly put your reaction time and skill to the test.
For a muck about yeah it's fine.
 
Theres a lot of IMO's going on in this thread, and it's simply a case that thats all anyone in this thread can say. There are no facts. Its all going to be down to a persons preference.

Using Oblivion as a basis, I can say I much prefer the PC's Keyboard and mouse. I cant stand playing the game using the 360 controller and its even worse on the PS3!

So IMO.

PC's keyboard and Mouse comes foremost, Then the 360 pad, and then the PS3.
 
Not in Single Player you're not?

Generally auto aim in single player isn't really a problem, it's multiplayer where it's annoying, CoD4 has ridiculous amounts of it.
Sure, but bare in the mind the whole game will probably play differently when every player is using a pad. I personally think TF2 is more suited to a mouse and got the game for the pc, CoD4 i'm certainly getting on the 360 and the thought of Halo 3 with a mouse is all wrong.
I guess, more slower perhaps.

CoD4 is such a PC game, I mean like I said the Beta (best way to determine so far) has huge amounts of autoaim, my crosshair gets dragged around quite often by it. Never had such noticeable autoaim before.

As for Halo 3 it could easily be done with a mouse, I never had any problems with Halo 2 on PC, controls well enough to me I thought.
 
won't auto aim ruin the game? why bother playing with it on at all?

Auto aim can spoil some games at times, But it depends how its implemented by the developer. Some auto aims, work by auto targeting only once you get close to the enemy, and then it still allows you to target specific places on that target.

I'm happy with that kind of auto aiming, But I have also played a game before where the auto aim basically targeted for you completely, and it spoilt the game. It could have been red faction? Not sure which, but even though i enjoyed red faction, it was only once id turned the auto targeting off.
 
Well all the people who are against control pads due to your own elitism, or being so stuck in your own ways, you're gonna be missing out on some great games.

Enjoy playing The Darkness with your Mouse and Keyboard.
 
I never said it wasn't easier with a mouse and keyboard. Does easier mean better?
I take it you play through all your games on 'easy' difficulty?

I don't play single FPS anymore, actually don't play FPS period. But when i did, it was 90% online and so no, it wasn't on easy, and no, I play my games on normal too on the other 10%.

I have played Halo on the xbox, and I know it works perfectly fine. But the topic is controller v KB/mouse, head to head, the KB wins. In a world where everyone has to use jobpad then obviously there are no disadvantage. And I already said, in single player the pad is fine and already gave my reason for it. It's where multiplayer where a KB/mouse comes into it's own.
 
Raymond, the question I asked was not which is better but

Does it get a lot easier the more one plays or is it just the nature of controllers to be harder to target the enemy?

But I thank everyone including yourself for your imformative and interesting replys:)
 
Raymond, the question I asked was not which is better but

Does it get a lot easier the more one plays or is it just the nature of controllers to be harder to target the enemy?

But I thank everyone including yourself for your imformative and interesting replys:)

I think its the way you asked the question which makes it sound like its being compared to something.

It can be hard using a controller to target things because analouge sticks don't offer the accuracy and speed needed to suit the pace of most fps games.

People who are new to controllers tend to 'flick' the analogue sticks thinking it will make a minor movement... which it doesnt. This will be sorted with practice of course. It can also be easier to move into your target rather than aiming for it.
 
It can also be easier to move into your target rather than aiming for it.

That's exactly it ! Many times in Halo it's easier to actually strafe sideways to get it on target than actually aiming for it. Where in the PC I would move backwards and turn while aim and shoot.

Anyhow, it's all what I prefer. If you want to play FPS with a pad, knock yourself out.
 
I have found that it does get easier, but it will never be as fast or as accurate as a mouse, but it helps to level the playing field a bit.

Scort.
 
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