Cops wreck another supercar... Or so the daily fail thinks!

[[TW]Fox]

How do you mean? if you google you will find reviews online where they say "near supercar", you will also find a fair few websites where its listed under the supercar section. If I can find them I definitely do have articles from the established motoring press at the time with the headline "affordable supercar".

Why not post a link to credible reviews? I mean credible reviews, btw. That call it a supercar.

As for supercars.net...

http://www.supercars.net/cars/2230.html

The 330i isnt a supercar either, yet there it is on that site.

Your Google link is so hilariously poor that even THIS THREAD makes it onto the first page of results!

Now I'd agree that in no regard does it come under what people would generally accept as a classic supercar... I don't consider it a supercar - but that doesn't change that its often been regarded as a supercar or near supercar.

You are just posting complete bunkem I'm afraid.

 

[Rroff]

Why not post a link to credible reviews? I mean credible reviews, btw. That call it a supercar.

As for supercars.net...

http://www.supercars.net/cars/2230.html

The 330i isnt a supercar either, yet there it is on that site.

Your Google link is so hilariously poor that even THIS THREAD makes it onto the first page of results!



You are just posting complete bunkem I'm afraid.

As I said hard to find them online, as back then a lot of it was printed in magazines and not so commonly published online.

Not even looked at supercars.net so not sure about that one.

Guess a lot of it comes down to perspective - I was quite into Golfs at the time and plainly remember the VR6 hype on launch.

 

[hurfdurf]

Um, excuse me, I have this website that quite clearly shows the car in question and the websites name is supercars dot net therefore point proven, check mate internet retards! Now if only I could prove my next point so easily, that clocks are best to be hung over things rather than free standing, I have found this website which at first looked promising but it turns outs its just nerds talking about computers? wtf?!

 

[Dangerous Dave]

Skeeter makes an interesting point though. It's too small to get regular RPU kit in and too expensive/overpowered for the usual duties small cars are used for. It's one of the reasons the new impreza didn't really take off with Police forces, it's just a bit too small.

The undercover Police traffic cars around here went Mk4 R32 Golf, A3 (3.2 or 2.0T), Mk5 R32 Golf, 3 Series and now a couple of S3s. The size doesn't seem to be an issue for them as I see these more the marked A6/5 Series traffic cars.

 

[Lashout_UK]

Yea, few Superbs operate near Peterborough.

 

[Dogbreath]

BTW, whats everyones problem with the daily mail?

You don't seriously think it's a good paper do you? Sensationalised, inaccurate and biased drivel pandering to the dregs of society. Useful only for lining the bottom of budgie cages.

 

[[TW]Fox]

As I said hard to find them online

It is often hard to find something that simply doesn't exist.

Guess a lot of it comes down to perspective - I was quite into Golfs at the time and plainly remember the VR6 hype on launch.

Use your brain. Lets pop back to the mid 90's to explain why you are so wrong most people are in stitches laughing at your constant posts.

The Golf VR6.

It looks like.. a Golf. It has nothing particularly special looks wise over a standard Golf bar the usual subtle bodykit. To 99% of the general non car loving public, it is a Golf. The same as the Golf the neighbour has, which is a 1.6 GL. This was actually part of the VR6's appeal for many.

Performance. Like it or not, this is an essential part of any supercar. The Golf VR6 has 190bhp and does 0-60 in 7.4 seconds. Not slow, for the time. But not super fast either. Autocar got one to 60 in 7.1 seconds. To give you an idea, Autocar got a mid 1990's BMW 528i SE to 60 in 6.8 seconds. So, the Golf VR6. Not slow, but not rip your face off fast. Not even as fast as a midrange executive saloon of the time.

Noise. Yes, the VR6 sounds nice. But noise alone does not a supercar make and even if it did the VR6 would hardly qualify.

A Ferrari 355.

It looks like... something else. Popup headlights. Dramatic bodywork. A deep, throaty exhuast. It looks special. 99% of people would know it was an expensive, exotic car. Most peoples Gran would recognise it as a Ferrari.

Performance. 375bhp. Autocar, our performance benchmark for this particular post (As it's consistent - same timing gear, same test location) got it to 60 in 4.6 seconds. Thats fast. Thats fast by todays standards. Infact its now just fast, its rip your face off fast.

Noise: Again, just by hearing it, your gran would know it's something special. You cannot compare the noise of an F355 with that of a Golf.

So, in summary then.

Golf VR6: A V6 hatchback
Ferrari F355: A Supercar.

I cannot possibly see how you can disagree with this without everyone laughing at you.

 

[Jonny ///M]

It is often hard to find something that simply doesn't exist.



Use your brain. Lets pop back to the mid 90's to explain why you are so wrong most people are in stitches laughing at your constant posts.

The Golf VR6.

It looks like.. a Golf. It has nothing particularly special looks wise over a standard Golf bar the usual subtle bodykit. To 99% of the general non car loving public, it is a Golf. The same as the Golf the neighbour has, which is a 1.6 GL. This was actually part of the VR6's appeal for many.

Performance. Like it or not, this is an essential part of any supercar. The Golf VR6 has 190bhp and does 0-60 in 7.4 seconds. Not slow, for the time. But not super fast either. Autocar got one to 60 in 7.1 seconds. To give you an idea, Autocar got a mid 1990's BMW 528i SE to 60 in 6.8 seconds. So, the Golf VR6. Not slow, but not rip your face off fast. Not even as fast as a midrange executive saloon of the time.

Noise. Yes, the VR6 sounds nice. But noise alone does not a supercar make and even if it did the VR6 would hardly qualify.

A Ferrari 355.

It looks like... something else. Popup headlights. Dramatic bodywork. A deep, throaty exhuast. It looks special. 99% of people would know it was an expensive, exotic car. Most peoples Gran would recognise it as a Ferrari.

Performance. 375bhp. Autocar, our performance benchmark for this particular post (As it's consistent - same timing gear, same test location) got it to 60 in 4.6 seconds. Thats fast. Thats fast by todays standards. Infact its now just fast, its rip your face off fast.

Noise: Again, just by hearing it, your gran would know it's something special. You cannot compare the noise of an F355 with that of a Golf.

So, in summary then.

Golf VR6: A V6 hatchback
Ferrari F355: A Supercar.

I cannot possibly see how you can disagree with this without everyone laughing at you.

We need a like button!

My almera is a supercar. FACT!

 

[Rroff]

It is often hard to find something that simply doesn't exist.



Use your brain. Lets pop back to the mid 90's to explain why you are so wrong most people are in stitches laughing at your constant posts.

The Golf VR6.

It looks like.. a Golf. It has nothing particularly special looks wise over a standard Golf bar the usual subtle bodykit. To 99% of the general non car loving public, it is a Golf. The same as the Golf the neighbour has, which is a 1.6 GL. This was actually part of the VR6's appeal for many.

Performance. Like it or not, this is an essential part of any supercar. The Golf VR6 has 190bhp and does 0-60 in 7.4 seconds. Not slow, for the time. But not super fast either. Autocar got one to 60 in 7.1 seconds. To give you an idea, Autocar got a mid 1990's BMW 528i SE to 60 in 6.8 seconds. So, the Golf VR6. Not slow, but not rip your face off fast. Not even as fast as a midrange executive saloon of the time.

Noise. Yes, the VR6 sounds nice. But noise alone does not a supercar make and even if it did the VR6 would hardly qualify.

A Ferrari 355.

It looks like... something else. Popup headlights. Dramatic bodywork. A deep, throaty exhuast. It looks special. 99% of people would know it was an expensive, exotic car. Most peoples Gran would recognise it as a Ferrari.

Performance. 375bhp. Autocar, our performance benchmark for this particular post (As it's consistent - same timing gear, same test location) got it to 60 in 4.6 seconds. Thats fast. Thats fast by todays standards. Infact its now just fast, its rip your face off fast.

Noise: Again, just by hearing it, your gran would know it's something special. You cannot compare the noise of an F355 with that of a Golf.

So, in summary then.

Golf VR6: A V6 hatchback
Ferrari F355: A Supercar.

I cannot possibly see how you can disagree with this without everyone laughing at you.

Great and I agree with your logic (ironically you got the rated BHP wrong but rated 0-60 right - whereas they actually put out ~190BHP when tested new but manufacturers rating was 174 and they actually put out 6.4-7.0* 0-60 times but were rated at 7.4).

Back to the point tho I completely agree with everything you said - but also they really were hyped as an affordable supercar when released and catagorised by many people in the industry at that time as being a "supercar" (regardless of the fact they were usually likened to being on the bottom rung of the supercar ladder). In hindsight it might seem completely silly but I'm not making it up.


* Quite a variance here as there was quite a big variance in the engines - later examples were clocked at ~185BHP but were also lightened giving sub 7 second times - earlier ones often had slightly more BHP (one I had was tested at very slightly over 200BHP completely standard) but were heavier.

EDIT: Actually can't remember if it was clocked at 200 before or after the rebore.

 

[[TW]Fox]

Great and I agree with your logic (ironically you got the rated BHP wrong but rated 0-60 right - whereas they actually put out ~190BHP when tested new but manufacturers rating was 174 and they actually put out 6.4-7.0 0-60 times but were rated at 7.4).

I thought they were 190bhp - I am happy to be corrected because if they genuinelly were only 174bhp it makes your point even more hilarious. I come on on, a 174bhp Golf hatch a supercar? Just LOL

The 0-60 time of 7.1 is the best time Autocar managed, using proper timing gear, on a proper road test, of a proper press car. It is not an internet forum time, it is not a youtube video time and it is not a time from Dave whose mate down the pub once had a VR6.

I picked this time for enable fair, accurate and unbiased comparison between the Golf and two other cars as a point of reference. Same source, same place, same timing gear.

Not that it even matters - we are arguing what, that it might, perhaps, maybe, magically be 6.something? So what. Long way from 4.something as per Ferrari F355, right?

but also they really were hyped as an affordable supercar when released

Well, no.

and catagorised by many people in the industry at that time as being a "supercar" (regardless of the fact they were usually likened to being on the bottom rung of the supercar ladder).

Except well, no.

In hindsight it might seem completely silly

You think?

but I'm not making it up.

Of course not.

 

[Django x2]

Let me help this thread out a little bit.

In no way is a Golf, in any shape or form, a supercar, or even "near supercar".

The end.

 

[Rroff]

Well, no.

Well I'm not gonna argue over it but I've always had an interest in this particular car (as searching these forums shows ) and I really do have the magazine articles somewhere from back then. I don't really give a crap if its regarded as a supercar or not, but I'm not making up how it was presented as a "supercar" in the mainstream motoring press at the time.

 

[[TW]Fox]

Why would a Golf that was about as quick as the then-current 528i be presented as a 'supercar'?

I'm not calling it slow, heck 7 seconds (+/- 0.3) to 60 isn't bad. But it's so far away from being a supercar no motoring hack worth his salt would even dare mention it. Only those who write for the Telford Advertiser and are used to reviewing Fords all new Fiesta 1.3 Encore would dare suggest such a thing, which would only serve to highlight how useless said opinion was.

 

[PeterNem]

I've always had an interest in this particular car

We can tell... it's resulted in you being somewhere between biassed and deluded.

 

[Rroff]

Let me help this thread out a little bit.

In no way is a Golf, in any shape or form, a supercar, or even "near supercar".

The end.

Simple google will show dozens of instances of mainstream reviews which cite "near" supercar and similiar such as this:

What to Look For
Volkswagens, generally, have a name for reliability and excellent build quality. The Golf is no exception, though it's always best to have any high-performance car thoroughly checked for accident damage and telltale signs of an over-enthusiastic former driver. Unevenly worn tyres, graunchy synchromesh on second gear and worn-out shock absorbers are all evidence of abuse. Engines are fairly unburstable, but do check for oil, coolant and power steering fluid leaks. Inside Highline models, check the leather upholstery for excessive wear and damage and ensure the air conditioner delivers chilled air immediately after starting the engine - both items are expensive to repair. A full service history is highly desirable, especially one from a Volkswagen main dealer. It may be a Volkswagen Golf but it's certainly a more complicated car than its smaller siblings. Parts are readily available from Volkswagen dealers and not overly expensive, when you consider the almost-supercar performance of the VR6.

Comparable to machines on bottom rung of the supercar league

It might be laughable especially in hindsight but it did actually happen.

 

[Maccy]

This threat has become ridiculous. Surely if a Golf VR6 is a supercar, then a lot of us own supercars??

 

[peterattheboro]

Back to the point tho I completely agree with everything you said - but also they really were hyped as an affordable supercar when released and catagorised by many people in the industry at that time as being a "supercar" (regardless of the fact they were usually likened to being on the bottom rung of the supercar ladder). In hindsight it might seem completely silly but I'm not making it up.

Source?

There isn't one.

Infact the source is probably Volkswagen themselves with some basic advertising.

I think you are just trolling now.

 

[Rroff]

Source?

There isn't one.

Infact the source is probably Volkswagen themselves with some basic advertising.

If anyone can find mainstream motoring magazines from that time online you'll probably find it.

 

[Muffin`]

Jesus Christ man let it go! It's not a Supercar!

'Supercar' is synonymous with Ferrari's and Lamborghini, not a ****ing Golf!

 

[[TW]Fox]

If anyone can find mainstream motoring magazines from that time online you'll probably find it.

Autocar, Performance Car, Car et al would not have printed 'the VR6 is a supercar'.