Core 9000 series

Panos · 26 Jul 2018 at 21:02

CAT-THE-FIFTH said:
Yeah,according to the AMD CEO in June they said 14NM would be for "leadership products" for the next 12 to 18 months.

You mean Intel CEO
https://www.extremetech.com/computi...ew-details-on-10nm-delay-future-14nm-products

And yes, 18 months is pretty bad delay imho because by that time there is Zen 3 made with 7nm EUV, and GF Fab 8 already is in test production since February of that process.

As for your Ryzen 3 comments. The move from 14nm to 7nm in GF/TSMC provides either 60% power reduction or 40% outright performance gain at same power.

AMD can choose either or a combination, especially if the likes of B350 & X370 are going to be supported, I see a 30%-20% power reduction and 20%-30% perf increase. That will bring lower the power consumption and easily beat the competition.
However if AMD decided to stick to the same power delivery, 40% perf gain could translate easily to the rumours of 15% IPC gain and higher clock speeds, so 5Gh Ryzen 3 could be possible. If not more on the same power envelop of Zen 1. :eek:

(which is already more power efficient than all Intel CPUs including 4 core Kabylake).

As for the numbers I used here is the source, TSMC process is even better. But lets keep hope bit "low"

https://www.extremetech.com/computing/263286-sitting-globalfoundries-talk-7nm-euv

zer · 26 Jul 2018 at 21:07

Guys, i just visited Gigabyte's site and didnt find anything indicating their z370 mobos will work with new i7 9700k and i9 9900k. Am i searching wrong, am i missing something or isn't a certainty that Gigabyte's z370 mobos will work with the new CPUs?
Many thanks!

CAT-THE-FIFTH · 26 Jul 2018 at 21:13

Panos said:
You mean Intel CEO
https://www.extremetech.com/computi...ew-details-on-10nm-delay-future-14nm-products

And yes, 18 months is pretty bad delay imho because by that time there is Zen 3 made with 7nm EUV, and GF Fab 8 already is in test production since February of that process.

As for your Ryzen 3 comments. The move from 14nm to 7nm in GF/TSMC provides either 60% power reduction or 40% outright performance gain at same power.

AMD can choose either or a combination, especially if the likes of B350 & X370 are going to be supported, I see a 30% power reduction and 20% perf. That will bring lower the power consumption and easily beat the competition.

Well I see them less likely to increase clockspeed a large amount as they need to make the design portable between two different nodes,so they need to have some leeway. So I expect they will increase core count,and look at improvements to the cores over sheer clockspeed,which for me is fine,as once the node is more mature they can concentrate on clockspeeds.

Unless AMD has some serious issues with 7NM or Intel can get a breakthough on 10NM,its quite possible AMD might be able to get to a new node quicker next gen and I can see why Intel is trying to release a 5GHZ 8C/16T CPU to upstart it at all costs. Having said that we should keep mention of Ryzen 3 to an AMD thread TBF,just in case!!

IT Troll · 26 Jul 2018 at 21:22

zer said:
Guys, i just visited Gigabyte's site and didnt find anything indicating their z370 mobos will work with new i7 9700k and i9 9900k. Am i searching wrong, am i missing something or isn't a certainty that Gigabyte's z370 mobos will work with the new CPUs?
Many thanks!

The CPUs will be under NDA so they can’t acknowledge that they exist yet.

CAT-THE-FIFTH · 26 Jul 2018 at 21:23

zer said:
Guys, i just visited Gigabyte's site and didnt find anything indicating their z370 mobos will work with new i7 9700k and i9 9900k. Am i searching wrong, am i missing something or isn't a certainty that Gigabyte's z370 mobos will work with the new CPUs?
Many thanks!

Wait until release - as mentioned above the CPUs are officially not out yet.

Panos · 26 Jul 2018 at 23:22

zer said:
Guys, i just visited Gigabyte's site and didnt find anything indicating their z370 mobos will work with new i7 9700k and i9 9900k. Am i searching wrong, am i missing something or isn't a certainty that Gigabyte's z370 mobos will work with the new CPUs?
Many thanks!

No manufacturer has announced anything yet tbh. We might not see the 8/16 been supported by any Z370 and be Z390 only.
Leaving only 8/8 for Z370

IT Troll · 27 Jul 2018 at 06:20

Panos said:
No manufacturer has announced anything yet tbh. We might not see the 8/16 been supported by any Z370 and be Z390 only.
Leaving only 8/8 for Z370

That would be a rather odd thing to do and be difficult to convey to consumers. Especially as hyperthreading can be disabled in BIOS, so that the i9-9900 will run in 8/8 mode. It would be cleaner just to say no 8-cores on Z370.

However, I think it is more likely that 8-cores will be supported on Z370. Given that Z390 is essentially Z370 and recent BIOS updates for Z370 include CPU ratios for 8-cores. Intel will probably say, check with your motherboard manufacturer for support.

Yaayuh! · 27 Jul 2018 at 08:30

CAT-THE-FIFTH said:
Hopefully the lower end SKUs are soldered too!!

But how will Overclockers de-lid, apply lurpack's special paste and re-sell with huge mark up?!

WON'T SOMEONE PLEASE THINK OF THE MARGINS?!

DragonQ · 27 Jul 2018 at 08:53

CAT-THE-FIFTH said:
Its interesting that AMD dropped a little tidbit today - 7NM Epyc is sampling in 2018 for introduction next year. This means 7NM Ryzen is probably sampling this year too.

So does that mean 7NM Ryzen 3 against 14NM CFL MK2?? Or is Intel going to be able to release a 10NM CPU in time??

Amusing that amongst a discussion of annoying Americanisms you'd butcher the word "titbit".

Doop! · 27 Jul 2018 at 09:19

https://videocardz.com/76849/asrock-confirms-8-core-intel-cpu-support-for-h310-motherboard

Videocardz have posted an ASRock H310 motherboard with a "8 Core CPU support" sticker. It's looking good for those of us with Z370 boards.

IT Troll · 27 Jul 2018 at 09:27

Rossi~ said:
But how will Overclockers de-lid, apply lurpack's special paste and re-sell with huge mark up?!

That thought crossed my mind when we got a grumpy post from 8 Pack about the rumor.

beany_bot · 27 Jul 2018 at 09:34

Here is my question.

Could it be that in a heavily threaded workloads setups the 8700K will actually out perform the 9700K?

IT Troll · 27 Jul 2018 at 09:45

Doop! said:
Videocardz have posted an ASRock H310 motherboard with a "8 Core CPU support" sticker. It's looking good for those of us with Z370 boards.

Hmm, I wonder if we will see non-K 8-cores at a later date, which would be a better fit for H-chipset motherboards.

beany_bot said:
Could it be that in a heavily threaded workloads setups the 8700K will actually out perform the 9700K?

I think it is unlikely. You would need to have a workload which is more than 33% faster with hyperthreading enabled. Which is pretty unheard of; but there may be some weird fringe case. When averaged across a number of different applications I suspect the 8-core will come out on top. I am sure Intel will have tested this out before deciding on the final positioning/naming within the range.

beany_bot · 27 Jul 2018 at 14:26

More cores is all well and good but game devs still be like.

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CAT-THE-FIFTH · 27 Jul 2018 at 14:40

Rossi~ said:
But how will Overclockers de-lid, apply lurpack's special paste and re-sell with huge mark up?!

WON'T SOMEONE PLEASE THINK OF THE MARGINS?!

Copper and Silver IHS edition - a way will be found!!

DragonQ said:
Amusing that amongst a discussion of annoying Americanisms you'd butcher the word "titbit".

LOL.

beany_bot said:
More cores is all well and good but game devs still be like.

It would not surprise me if the Core i5 8600K is close to a Core i9 9900K at similar clockspeeds.

beany_bot · 27 Jul 2018 at 14:58

CAT-THE-FIFTH said:
It would not surprise me if the Core i5 8600K is close to a Core i9 9900K at similar clockspeeds.

It would not surprise me if a 2500K was close to a 9900K in games at similar clockspeeds!

CAT-THE-FIFTH · 27 Jul 2018 at 15:38

beany_bot said:
It would not surprise me if a 2500K was close to a 9900K in games at similar clockspeeds!

LOL. Hopefully Intel has not only used solder but improved the design of the IHS. An aftermarket one can drop temperatures by 5C alone on a Core i7 8700K.

X-Mikuru_Beam-X · 27 Jul 2018 at 20:49

Rossi~ said:
But how will Overclockers de-lid, apply lurpack's special paste and re-sell with huge mark up?!

WON'T SOMEONE PLEASE THINK OF THE MARGINS?!

This made me LOL so much! Especially the bit about Lurpack special paste

4K8KW10 · 28 Jul 2018 at 09:56

beany_bot said:
Here is my question.

Could it be that in a heavily threaded workloads setups the 8700K will actually out perform the 9700K?

Yes, I expect it.

4K8KW10 said:
It is very likely the 12 threads will be equal or faster in well-done multi-threaded applications. In lightly threaded applications, it should be the same performance plus-minus the frequency difference.

I base this observation on the fact that the 8700k shows 43% higher multi-threaded performance than a 8600k.
So, 8600k + 2 cores?
http://cpu.userbenchmark.com/Compare/Intel-Core-i7-8700K-vs-Intel-Core-i5-8600K/3937vs3941

pastymuncher · 28 Jul 2018 at 11:43

beany_bot said:
More cores is all well and good but game devs still be like.

That is so funny and exactly what my cpu does when playing simulators. The only problem now is that when I look at the onscreen display and see what my cpu is doing I am going to think of that and will probably crash due to thinking of that gif.