Core 9000 series

[subbytna]

Is the 9900k worth £200 more than the 2700X ? Thats up to you...Its £300 more if buying the chip in the UK so you have to factor in if its what you want.

Its a personal choice and should be left at that... If you don't want or can't afford the 9900k then dont buy it simples...You are not really losing that much...

I took this stance on the pathetic RTX 2800 and RTX 2800 TI release...I won't be touching it with a barge pole...But if people want to spend it let them.

I haven't ruled out 9900k as I want to upgrade my Recording studio PC and intel deals with audio latency a millions times better than Ryzen but if I was building a games machine the differences become less important.

The 8700K was £359 IIRC before the price increase so if you could bag a 9900k for £492 thats only £133 more for 2 extra cores 66 quid each...

I get what you're saying but if people STILL buy the 9900K then prices will NOT go down for future gen chips. Same as what's happening at Nvidia. People went and bought the titan when they first came out. Nvidia thought, "daaaaum there are people willing to pay this money" and now look at the pricing for the entire lineup of 20** cards.

People buying high priced tech just makes the other "lesser" tech more expensive as the companies won't want such a massive gap in pricing between cards/cpu's.

GPU stupid prices are here to stay and people buying the 2080Ti's at the stupid price means the lesser cards are now also stupidly priced. Same will happen with CPU's. If people go and pay the money then Intel will "do an nvidia" and stupid high prices will be the norm, even for lesser cpu's.

It's not about

If you don't want or can't afford the 9900k then dont buy it simples.

It's about the side effects of people buying at these stupid high prices, which then causes all other tech to be priced higher, which affects us all then, even those wanting a mid range cpu/gpu, will be forced to pay high prices for "lesser" tech.

It's a "If I buy this cpu then I'm just enforcing INTELs thinking of permanently charging higher from now on"

 

[Doobedoo]

It's about the side effects of people buying at these stupid high prices, which then causes all other tech to be priced higher, which affects us all then, even those wanting a mid range cpu/gpu, will be forced to pay high prices for "lesser" tech.

It's a "If I buy this cpu then I'm just enforcing INTELs thinking of permanently charging higher from now on"

That would be big picture type thinking which doesn't really go hand in hand with the consumer mindset.

 

[easyrider]

It's a "If I buy this cpu then I'm just enforcing INTELs thinking of permanently charging higher from now on"

Then buy a Ryzen 2700X

There are tier points within tech, always have been. Take Feb 2015 for example

The new flagship model is the Core i7 5960X, which has eight physical processor cores, capable of running 16 threads simultaneously. Its standard clock frequency is 3 GHz, which goes up to 3.5 GHz when Turbo Mode kicks in. Shared between its eight cores is 20MB of level 3 cache, and support for 40 PCI-Express lanes. The chip retails for around £770 (around $1049, or AUS$1259).


Joining it is the £450 (around $675, or AUS$865) Core i7 5930K, a six-core processor that runs at 3.5 GHz, and 3.7 GHz in Turbo. It too supports 40 PCI-Express lanes, but only has 15MB of level 3 cache.

So getting a 9900k from the US at £492 is not bad considering intel chips have always been high priced for the top end.

 

[CAT-THE-FIFTH]

Bugattis go up in value unlike mass produced CPUs.

Then buy a Ryzen 2700X

There are tier points within tech, always have been. Take Feb 2015 for example



So getting a 9900k from the US at £492 is not bad considering intel chips have always been high priced for the top end.

Its the most expensive consumer socket CPU in 10 years. You are talking about HEDT.

Also £500 from the US,with warranty in the US. LOL,are people that desperate to go to such levels to just get some new shiny. In another year the 10NM Intel CPUs will be out and AMD will have gone to 7NM by then too.

Edit!!

Also a tiny chip too - the HEDT CPUs cost a lot due to large die sizes - the chip in the 9900K is probably as big as a Ryzen one.

You don't even get a cooler with,so its £500 plus a cooler. LMAO.

It even gets worse when you consider the Core i7 5820K which was 6C/12T was well under £300 at one point. Then add the increased cost of motherboards now,meaning they are close to old HEDT pricing if you want a Z390 and the cost of RAM.

If anyone has a Haswell onwards chip they might as wait another year methinks.

 

[easyrider]

Bugattis go up in value unlike mass produced CPUs.



Its the most expensive consumer socket CPU in 10 years. You are talking about HEDT.

Also £500 from the US,with warranty in the US. LOL,are people that desperate to go to such levels to just get some new shiny. In another year the 10NM Intel CPUs will be out and AMD will have gone to 7NM by then too.

Edit!!

Also a tiny chip too - the HEDT CPUs cost a lot due to large die sizes - the chip in the 9900K is probably as big as a Ryzen one.

You don't even get a cooler with,so its £500 plus a cooler. LMAO.

I sell my 6700K and mobo...

£150 for the chip and what say... £30 for the mobo?

Thats £180

I buy a 9900k from the US ( done this before NO BIGGY)

492 - 180= 312

So I have a 9900k sitting on my desk @ £312

I re-use my DDR4 Ram, case psu ect...

I re=use my cooler

Buy a Asus PRIME Z390M-PLUS LGA 1151 DDR4 mATX Motherboard for £125

Voila! HEDT for 312+125= £437

I am quite prepared to pay £437 for a new 9900k chip and mobo combo to upgrade my current rig.

 

[CAT-THE-FIFTH]

I sell my 6700K and mobo...

£150 for the chip and what say... £30 for the mobo?

Thats £180

I buy a 9900k from the US ( done this before NO BIGGY)

492 - 180= 312

So I have a 9900k sitting on my desk @ £312

I re-use my DDR4 Ram, case psu ect...

I re=use my cooler

Buy a Asus PRIME Z390M-PLUS LGA 1151 DDR4 mATX Motherboard for £125

Voila! HEDT for 312+125= £437

I am quite prepared to pay £437 for a new 9900k chip and mobo combo to upgrade my current rig.

Which again doesn't change thge fact the 7NM and 10NM CPUs using updated uarchs are out next year. The 9900K is your 6700K with the same uarch,etc with 4 more cores.

Next year the new CPUs will be out and I suspect many here will sell their 9900K CPUs for a big loss,to get the new CPUs.

CPU hype is as bad as GPU hype. FFS,if I had a SKL Core i7 I wouldn't even be dreaming of upgrading at least for year and some of the stuff I use does scale to more cores too. I was hoping to keep my old IB Core i7 for another year,but reliability issues happened.

Some of you upgrade hardware at an alarming rate.



Plus again you can't really moan at Nvidia can you?? They jacked up consumer cards to £1000+ and Intel has jacked up a consumer CPU to £500 to £600.

Look at Intel ARK - every top end Intel consumer socket CPU for nearly 10 years has been sub $400(around $300 to $350).

The 9900K is an APU,ie,it has integrated graphics and they jacked the price up by nearly 40% to 50% which Nvidia also has done.

Each to their own,but don't moan if Intel pushes the next gen even higher.

Because where Intel goes,AMD will follow. You could see this during the Athlon 64 days - AMD has no issue pushing prices up if they can!!

 

[easyrider]

Which again doesn't change thge fact the 7NM and 10NM CPUs using updated uarchs are out next year. The 9900K is your 6700K with the same uarch,etc with 4 more cores.

Next year the new CPUs will be out and I suspect many here will sell their 9900K CPUs for a big loss,to get the new CPUs.

CPU hype is as bad as GPU hype. FFS,if I had a SKL Core i7 I wouldn't even be dreaming of upgrading at least for year and some of the stuff I use does scale to more cores too. I was hoping to keep my old IB Core i7 for another year,but reliability issues happened.

Some of you upgrade hardware at an alarming rate.

I haven't upgraded for years....I'm still rocking a 6700k ( this still has some value in it)

If I upgrade to 9900K at a cost of £312 next week...I can either keep the chip and miss out 10nm but I'm in a decent position as the 9900k will have more value in it than a 6700k would by then...

Any way I haven't decided whether to upgrade yet...I'm mulling over my options. But I can upgrade to 9900k and be up and running again for not a lot of cash...

Thats my point.

 

[CAT-THE-FIFTH]

I haven't upgraded for years....I'm still rocking a 6700k ( this still has some value in it)

If I upgrade to 9900K at a cost of £312 next week...I can either keep the chip and miss out 10nm but I'm in a decent position as the 9900k will have more value in it than a 6700k would by then...

Any way I haven't decided whether to upgrade yet...I'm mulling over my options. But I can upgrade to 9900k and be up and running again for not a lot of cash...

Thats my point.

The 6700K is a 2016 CPU IIRC,so its hardly old- I get your point about the CPU having value still but again Intel is testing waters here. Remember,you could have had an easy upgrade path to a Core i7 8700K,but Intel artificially blocked that for you.9900K is not HEDT - its got integrated graphics,so is consumer. Check Intel ARK,and see the RRPs of the top consumer CPUs. They are doing another Titan thing - get people used to the high price,and BAM! It won't be a £700 Core i9 but a £700 Core i7 on a dual channel motherboard!!

So if they can get enough sales at £500 to £600,then the 10900K might cost even more,and AMD will see that and see if they can price much higher too. People think AMD is a saint - they will price as high as they can get away if Intel pushes things up again. See their graphics cards. Its upto you after all,its your money so if you really want it get it,and people's concept of what is value for money does differ,but at least how I see it.

At the very least wait until reviews!!

 

[easyrider]

Plus again you can't really moan at Nvidia can you?? They jacked up consumer cards to £1000+ and Intel has jacked up a consumer CPU to £500 to £600.

Well yes I can...NV released 2080 costing £200 more than a 1080ti for the same performance.

I spend £437 and two extra cores, fast IPC, faster clock, New Motherboard and see real gains over my 6700k in audio editing and production in my recording studio. A boost when I actually game...

If I had a 1080ti to sell and wanted a 2080 then I could sell my 1080ti for £500 and buy a 2080 for £200 more but see absolutely no performance gains this is why I moan at NV

The 2080 is a pointless card on every level.

 

[CAT-THE-FIFTH]

Well yes I can...NV released 2080 costing £200 more than a 1080ti for the same performance.

I spend £437 and two extra cores, fast IPC, faster clock, New Motherboard and see real gains over my 6700k in audio editing and production in my recording studio. A boost when I actually game...

If I had a 1080ti to sell and wanted a 2080 then I could sell my 1080ti for £500 and buy a 2080 for £200 more but see absolutely no performance gains this is why I moan at NV

The 2080 is a pointless card on every level.

Well at least wait until reviews then - if it is really going to boost your audio work a lot,then I suppose I see where you are coming from - the TechReport review will be useful to read I suppose!!

 

[easyrider]

Remember,you could have had an easy upgrade path to a Core i7 8700K,

At the very least wait until reviews!!

I'll wait for reviews I'm not that stupid lol

The 8700k was tricky for me...The 6 core 12 thread Xeon was in my studio running at 4ghz and the 8700k didn't make me moist enough

The 9900k will be handy though...As its got onboard GFX...I game in winter and then in summer I ditch the GPU and use onboard so I get the Grunt from the cpu in my studio but I dont need fast gfx when recording!

 

[DarrenM343]

Well yes I can...NV released 2080 costing £200 more than a 1080ti for the same performance.

I spend £437 and two extra cores, fast IPC, faster clock, New Motherboard and see real gains over my 6700k in audio editing and production in my recording studio. A boost when I actually game...

If I had a 1080ti to sell and wanted a 2080 then I could sell my 1080ti for £500 and buy a 2080 for £200 more but see absolutely no performance gains this is why I moan at NV

The 2080 is a pointless card on every level.

If a 2080 is pointless then so is the 9900K . Why? AMD offer 8 cores for £300, that's one of the differences between the CPU and GPU markets - there's tougher competition in the CPU market right now. So where as you may be comparing a 1080 Ti to a 2080, you can also compare the 9900K to the 2700X, or even the 2800X if AMD release it.
Seems a bit ironic someone is considering spending 66%+ on a 9900K over a 2700X (£500 or more like £600 vs £300) for same number of cores and probably slightly better(hardly noticeable) gaming performance when they see the 2080 as a pointless GPU vs a 1080 Ti . Am I missing something?

 

[CAT-THE-FIFTH]

I'll wait for reviews I'm not that stupid lol

The 8700k was tricky for me...The 6 core 12 thread Xeon was in my studio running at 4ghz and the 8700k didn't make me moist enough

The 9900k will be handy though...As its got onboard GFX...I game in winter and then in summer I ditch the GPU and use onboard so I get the Grunt from the cpu in my studio but I dont need fast gfx when recording!

I wonder if there will be a 9900 non-K though?? I expect the 9900K will probably use leakier silicion which runs a bit hotter,which makes it better for overclocking.

I did consider getting a Core i7 8700 non-K myself as I have a mini-ITX rig,but the stupid price increase kind of put paid to that plan!

 

[easyrider]

If a 2080 is pointless then so is the 9900K . Why? AMD offer 8 cores for £300, that's one of the differences between the CPU and GPU markets - there's tougher competition in the CPU market right now. So where as you may be comparing a 1080 Ti to a 2080, you can also compare the 9900K to the 2700X, or even the 2800X if AMD release it.

Seems a bit ironic someone is considering spending 66%+ on a 9900K over a 2700X (£500 or more like £600 vs £300) for same number of cores and probably slightly better(hardly noticeable) gaming performance when they see the 2080 as a pointless GPU vs a 1080 Ti . Am I missing something?

You can’t though...2700x audio performance and latency is sub par for audio.So this needs to be addressed and is far more important than cores...

The 1080ti job is throw pixels about...it does this exactly like a 2080

The question is...will the 9900k be faster than a 2700x ? The answer is yes...but is the cost worth it? That’s down to the user...

For me I don’t want to compromise audio performance when running virtual instruments...and recording 12 microphones at once.

If Ryzen wasn’t poor in this area I would be rocking Ryzen ages ago...

But the upgrade to 9900k for me will be £437 not bad for my particular needs...

Im not thinking of gaming when upgrading my CPU tbh...

 

[DarrenM343]

You can’t though...2700x audio performance and latency is sub par for audio.So this needs to be addressed and is far more important than cores...

The 1080ti job is throw pixels about...it does this exactly like a 2080

The question is...will the 9900k be faster than a 2700x ? The answer is yes...but is the cost worth it? That’s down to the user...

For me I don’t want to compromise audio performance when running virtual instruments...and recording 12 microphones at once.

If Ryzen wasn’t poor in this area I would be rocking Ryzen ages ago...

Fair enough on the sound but that's your requirement/preference . To others it's similar to the GPU comparison. Is the 8 core 9900K going to be better at the music aspect too than the 6700K ? (I have no idea)?
Nice to see Intel having to bang out new CPU's anyway!

 

[easyrider]

Fair enough on the sound but that's your requirement/preference . To others it's similar to the GPU comparison. Is the 8 core 9900K going to be better at the music aspect too than the 6700K ? (I have no idea)?

Yeah mate...I can run more plugins in real-time rather than committing that effect to “tape” I’m getting 4 more cores to balance the load meaning more cpu headroom...

 

[Panos]

Voila! HEDT for 312+125= £437

I am quite prepared to pay £437 for a new 9900k chip and mobo combo to upgrade my current rig.

16pcie lanes is not HEDT...............
9900K cannot even run a single m.2 at full speed, if there is 1 more device attached also at same time (eg 10gb ethernet.....)

 

[Panos]

Nobody mentioned the power consumption.....
If AMD comes out with power hungry CPU, I am going to hold you to account as filthy hypocrites from your posts on this discussion.....
Carry on.....

 

[easyrider]

16pcie lanes is not HEDT...............
9900K cannot even run a single m.2 at full speed, if there is 1 more device attached also at same time (eg 10gb ethernet.....)

Says up to 40 in the spec....?

 

[awaybreaktoday]

9900k listed for £495 in the UK