Core 9000 series

SiDeards73 · 16 Oct 2018 at 13:53

VincentHanna said:
Why do companies bother releasing new products when they have supply issues anyway?

Intel needed to answer the competition, or so they believe they did, also to try and stop the sales surge AMD is getting, although this has probably done more to fund AMD sales that actually stop them lol.

beany_bot · 16 Oct 2018 at 13:57

SiDeards73 said:
Really? so Intels arrogance in pricing the chips so high has nothing to do with and their incompetence in not being able to mass produce chips that are in such high demand also doesnt speak of incompetence?

I understand what you are saying about the UK pricing vs the US, but that has been the case for how long now? we all know that the UK pays well over the odds for these types of goods, so im surprised that your upset about it. I say ages ago i expected these chips to land between £500 and £600 and it seems i was on the money, and if anything i can see these chips even increasing a bit in price shortly especially when the shortages really star to hit home.

In reality i dont know where the blame actually lays, there is a reason we are being artificially fleeced for goods in the UK, maybe its because our assumed disposable income is higher than other countries? who knows, what i do know is that it is a fact of life and has been for a while, so rather than vent at the UK vendors, just accept it is what it is and that the UK is ripoff Britain and has and we be for the foreseeable future.

If you can buy it elsewhere for cheaper imported then i'd do that, i know i certainly would if it was going to save me a few ££ to put elsewhere. Just boycot UK vendors for products that are overpriced. Simples.

I'm well aware that good are usually cheaper in the USA. But historically it's been ~£40/£50 on CPUS. Not.... £200!!! Quid!. This is a new low.

LePhuronn · 16 Oct 2018 at 14:08

SiDeards73 said:
Would they rather risk selling low and being unable to fulfil orders and then gain a bad rep as an unreliable supplier

Something easily fixed by having a stock counter on the website? Limit pre-orders? You can't buy something if it's not in stock, so be quick with your purchase. If OcUK or any retailer can only guarantee, say, 200 pre-orders then just say "we have 200 slots, first come first served" and therefore you are being honest and won't gain the reputation for being unreliable.

There is no possible metric to support price gouging as stock control and customer satisfaction.

SiDeards73 · 16 Oct 2018 at 14:09

beany_bot said:
I'm well aware that good are usually cheaper in the USA. But historically it's been ~£40/£50 on CPUS. Not.... £200!!! Quid!. This is a new low.

Normally whatever it says in $ you convert it to £ and your pretty much there, but yeah this is a new low in gouging, but all the UK Vendors have done so.. it is wrong and i agree that it is, but its useless venting at the vendors about it, they'll just laugh and carry on, vote with your wallet to be honest.

Gibbo · 16 Oct 2018 at 14:12

beany_bot said:
Why should I blame Intel? I happen to think $530 / £400 is a fair price for the 9900k.

It's the £600 that we are expected to pay in the UK that vexes me.

So no, I don't blame Intel in this instance. I blame UK retailers. Because ultimately it's the UK vendors that have priced it at £600, no one else.

The blame is not just the retailers, the actual master distribution has increased their price on the CPU's and any grey distributor massively over charges.
So yes the retailer does charge and make more, but of course they do this because for example if I buy 8700K from grey distribution today, it is at a price and sometimes even higher than my website sell price to the end user, so yes the retailer is making additional margin, but at the same time protecting themselves as there re-buy is higher from authorised distribution and if they have to source grey it could be higher than they are even selling for.

It is not so clear cut, it is just a shame there is a shortage begin with. In fairness it is the first time in a long time there has been a major shortage on a new Intel CPU.

Journey · 16 Oct 2018 at 14:17

Box retail stock has lead time of 12 weeks with AVnet as of today, for the 9900K, and the price is frankly terrible so even the biggest disti's aren't keeping the prices down.

Same shambles last year with the 8700K which was rushed out, prices took at least 3-4 months to normalise.

beany_bot · 16 Oct 2018 at 14:25

Gibbo said:
The blame is not just the retailers, the actual master distribution has increased their price on the CPU's and any grey distributor massively over charges.
So yes the retailer does charge and make more, but of course they do this because for example if I buy 8700K from grey distribution today, it is at a price and sometimes even higher than my website sell price to the end user, so yes the retailer is making additional margin, but at the same time protecting themselves as there re-buy is higher from authorised distribution and if they have to source grey it could be higher than they are even selling for.

It is not so clear cut, it is just a shame there is a shortage begin with. In fairness it is the first time in a long time there has been a major shortage on a new Intel CPU.

It's just frustrating as a consumer We (I) feel now that we are just constantly being taken advantage of. What with RAM pricing / price fixing. Nvidia charging way more for less performance with new GPUs and now this. It's just disappointing and leaves the customer feeling totally and completely un-valued. Shame really.

Hotwired · 16 Oct 2018 at 14:34

beany_bot said:
It's just frustrating as a consumer We (I) feel now that we are just constantly being taken advantage of. What with RAM pricing / price fixing. Nvidia charging way more for less performance with new GPUs and now this. It's just disappointing and leaves the customer feeling totally and completely un-valued. Shame really.

If they sell the product anyway then yes, customers and non-customers complaints are meaningless.

If potential customers don't actually buy from another company but instead sit around the same company they are obsessed with until their budget matches a product then what's there to worry about.

beany_bot · 16 Oct 2018 at 14:38

Hotwired said:
If they sell the product anyway then yes, customers and non-customers complaints are meaningless.

If potential customers don't actually buy from another company but instead sit around the same company they are obsessed with until their budget matches a product then what's there to worry about.

Tell it to Toys R Us!

Hotwired · 16 Oct 2018 at 14:43

beany_bot said:
Tell it to Toys R Us!

They didn't have a captive market.

beany_bot · 16 Oct 2018 at 14:47

Hotwired said:
They didn't have a captive market.

Neither do Intel...

SiDeards73 · 16 Oct 2018 at 14:48

Journey said:
Box retail stock has lead time of 12 weeks with AVnet as of today, for the 9900K, and the price is frankly terrible so even the biggest disti's aren't keeping the prices down.

Same shambles last year with the 8700K which was rushed out, prices took at least 3-4 months to normalise.

Just checked the site of one of the resellers we use for purchases, and they have Zero Intel 8th gen CPU's in Stock and are not even listing 9th Gen stuff yet, i could find out from our account manager when and if they are due, but i imagine they'll be listed as zero as well.

I will reach out to the other 2 vendors i use and see if they have any pricing as well, i can imagine if they do, they wont be cheap either.

Rroff · 16 Oct 2018 at 14:54

beany_bot said:
Neither do Intel...

I've been asked to put together AMD machines for a fair few people recently who'd traditionally have bought an i3 or i5 - with the 1600/1700 and 2600 popular choices (and/or I've chosen that for them as the best fit for their budget and usage).

Hotwired · 16 Oct 2018 at 14:54

beany_bot said:
Neither do Intel...

There are vast numbers of people who only want AMD to do well... so they can buy Intel and Nvidia cheaper. These are people volunteering to be a captive market and as long as they do this then neither Intel or Nvidia need to care too much about the noise.

beany_bot · 16 Oct 2018 at 15:05

Rroff said:
I've been asked to put together AMD machines for a fair few people recently who'd traditionally have bought an i3 or i5 - with the 1600/1700 and 2600 popular choices (and/or I've chosen that for them as the best fit for their budget and usage).

I put together my work PC and opted for 2600 over Intel.

Drollic · 16 Oct 2018 at 15:06

Gibbo said:
Until Intel sort the supply issues, yes it most likely shall be, everything I am seeing says Intel shortage shall remain into next year......

Any idea at all on time frame Gibbo, even roughly? Big difference between it ending early Q1 compared to say Q4. I'm completely out the loop.

PS I love what you've done with the 172 if that's any incentive to tell me/us

Gibbo · 16 Oct 2018 at 15:07

beany_bot said:
It's just frustrating as a consumer We (I) feel now that we are just constantly being taken advantage of. What with RAM pricing / price fixing. Nvidia charging way more for less performance with new GPUs and now this. It's just disappointing and leaves the customer feeling totally and completely un-valued. Shame really.

That same fustration is felt our side, what do you think this does to our business?

Yes OK we sell some CPU's at a higher margin than normal.

However on the flip side we sell far less CPU's, which in turn means we sell far less of everything else, if the consumer is not buying CPU's they are not buying motherboards, memory, coolers, chassis, power supply, graphics card, peripherals, everything is effected negatively by selling less CPU.
Graphics cards have a similar impact, sell less GPU, you sell less of everything.

Right now the market is in the worse situation I have ever seen it in 15 years, lack of CPU, lack of GPU and all of it to put it bluntly is over priced, its a joke, I feel your pain, for us we can't get the supply and as a result we sell less of everything.

Its a bad situation right now caused by Intel and NVIDIA with general lack of supply and high prices.

If AMD has an issue, that is it, the market will be doomed for some months.

Gibbo · 16 Oct 2018 at 15:09

Drollic said:
Any idea at all on time frame Gibbo, even roughly? Big difference between it ending early Q1 compared to say Q4. I'm completely out the loop.

PS I love what you've done with the 172 if that's any incentive to tell me/us

We really have no idea, best case January, worse case I'd say May/June.

Distracted · 16 Oct 2018 at 15:09

Gibbo said:
That same fustration is felt our side, what do you think this does to our business?

Yes OK we sell some CPU's at a higher margin than normal.

However on the flip side we sell far less CPU's, which in turn means we sell far less of everything else, if the consumer is not buying CPU's they are not buying motherboards, memory, coolers, chassis, power supply, graphics card, peripherals, everything is effected negatively by selling less CPU.
Graphics cards have a similar impact, sell less GPU, you sell less of everything.

Right now the market is in the worse situation I have ever seen it in 15 years, lack of CPU, lack of GPU and all of it to put it bluntly is over priced, its a joke, I feel your pain, for us we can't get the supply and as a result we sell less of everything.

Its a bad situation right now caused by Intel and NVIDIA with general lack of supply and high prices.

If AMD has an issue, that is it, the market will be doomed for some months.

Pc apocalypse :eek:

Gibbo · 16 Oct 2018 at 15:13

Distracted said:
Pc apocalypse

At least we have plenty of noblechairs, that is one area we have huge growth but its easy to see, our chairs have no competition, but unless you try one I cannot prove anything to you, but anyone who has sat in a noblehchair, used one or has one will tell you how great they are and why they cost a lot more than the cheap and tatty gaming chairs you see on other sites.

So for me, I stick with my laptop, but I make my desk, my chair and the general area very nice, plus also the chair is like my monitor, I spend more initially so it last longer. A small cheap monitor I will upgrade, that is why I have a 38" LG Screen, it shall last me many years. For the chair I plan to get the noblechair nappa leather, just did not decided on the style yet.