so an 8700k should be £180 then?
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Nope. Highend 8 core desktop parts.
so an 8700k should be £180 then?
Yes.
Right, but I was asking how much it would actually cost, not what we would like it to cost
I wouldn't pay £180 as you can get a 1800X for that.
Soldato
Good for you. We don't all want a high latency 8 core that gets beaten by i5s in games though.
Why are you in this thread?
Well that's nice to know, but it's hardly the question I asked
That's handy because thats not what you get anyway.
Soldato
8400 says hi.
Well that's nice to know, but it's hardly the question I asked
Intel will probably ask the maximum they feel they can get away with.
Yay Gavin is typing!
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Intel will charge what they feel they can get away with? no way, really?.... I wouldn't have thought such a big renowned business like Intel would ever dream of charging what they felt they could get for their products, how can they do such a thing? I don't know how they manage to sleep at night.
Some chips may have values where their cores average as being worth as little as £30 each, at the same time, others are worth considerably more than this. Whats more is that some chips can actually be be worth even less than £30 per core on average and theres some id personally not want to pay even £20 per core for, these types of chips usually struggle to hit 4ghz (probably stuck at 3.9), they probably have issues with memory compatibility along with their speeds and probably wont boot with 3000mhz+ modules in place whilst carrying an IPC comparable to Haswell from 2013 (over 5 years ago).
As for Intels latest i9-9900k or even the 9700k, Intel will charge what they feel is warranted compared to rest of the market and the other competitors offerings and specs. These new Intel chips wont be cheap and will most definitely be a lot more than £30 per core, people will buy them and disregard the money saving/budget option because some people are happy to spend out the extra to have the added perfromance.
Some people have disposable income and some are just pure enthusiast and are simply happy to pay that little bit more to have the latest and greatest cutting edge tech to play with. To others though, money is tighter and people have budgets of course and there are decent options for everyone, but unfortunately you never get the latest and greatest of anything without paying the premium, this is just the way of the world.
Shortages will be due to a new practice adopted by the computer/phone industry.
To deliberately manufacture low quantities, it creates an under supply which inturn raises prices and profit margins, and also to reduce the risk of over stock to very low levels. I still go back to the floods and the hdds, which is the point many realised that situation boosted profits.
It seems once supply and demand starts shifting things down to what consumers find acceptable the manufacturers and vendors decide they dont want those margins and move onto another product or shift the balance again by reducing supply. The modern market isnt nice and I can see more and more shifting to used parts.
To deliberately manufacture low quantities, it creates an under supply which inturn raises prices and profit margins, and also to reduce the risk of over stock to very low levels. I still go back to the floods and the hdds, which is the point many realised that situation boosted profits.
It seems once supply and demand starts shifting things down to what consumers find acceptable the manufacturers and vendors decide they dont want those margins and move onto another product or shift the balance again by reducing supply. The modern market isnt nice and I can see more and more shifting to used parts.
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Intel 14nm Processors Facing Shortages, Increasing Prices
https://www.tomshardware.co.uk/14nm-processor-intel-shortage-9000-series,news-59112.html
It looks like we might indeed be in for a repeat of Coffee Lake's paper launch for the 9000 series with shortages and high prices for the first few months!
"The first signs of a shortage of Intel's 14nm processors is emerging in the form of increasing prices, spotty availability for some processors, unavailable chipsets and complaints from Intel's partners."
"CP Wong, president of notebook ODM Compal Electronics, also told DigiTimes that 14nm supply issues could have more of an impact on the PC industry during the latter half of the year than the U.S.-China trade war."
https://www.tomshardware.co.uk/14nm-processor-intel-shortage-9000-series,news-59112.html
It looks like we might indeed be in for a repeat of Coffee Lake's paper launch for the 9000 series with shortages and high prices for the first few months!
"The first signs of a shortage of Intel's 14nm processors is emerging in the form of increasing prices, spotty availability for some processors, unavailable chipsets and complaints from Intel's partners."
"CP Wong, president of notebook ODM Compal Electronics, also told DigiTimes that 14nm supply issues could have more of an impact on the PC industry during the latter half of the year than the U.S.-China trade war."
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Thats all lies, the people on these forums told me it wouldnt happen... i dont believe any of it /s
Something is a bit odd here as well, surely if Intel knew they would have capacity issues as everything is sat on 14nm and iterations thereof, surely they should have moved some other fab processes across to 14nm and iterations when they knew their 10nm would be delayed?
I cant believe they have fabs sat around doing nothing, Jigger reckons this is the case however, but a company of Intels size and the amount of cash they have i cant believe they did not have a plan to increase 14nm capacity the minute they knew that 10nm would be delayed even further?
Maybe it is true? maybe Intel gambled on 10nm, and took the option to not increase 14nm capacity to other fabs to make up the shortfall incase of 10nm being delayed further and now all the chickens have come home to roost?
Whatever the real reason is, Intel are about to ramp up the price of the 9 series, by inflating the price of the 8 series this will automatically increase the price of the 9 series, i cant see it being priced lower....
Im personally hoping that the 9900k is £500 tops, if it is i will probably jump in, but im having my doubts it will be this cheap now, i think probably closer to £600 as that also sits below the 7900 in price and also performance nicely.
Soldato
If there's one thing I've learned on this forum is don't believe a damn thing jigger says.
Its all crap with no substance.
Its all crap with no substance.
Soldato
Hi Gav
*waves*
Probably the same reason you're in the AMD threads, just a hunch though
Soldato
Every discussion always requires checks and balances, but truth be told it makes me chuckle a little seeing you post this given all I've seen from you recently is you just berating him rather than actually countering anything with substance of your own.
But I digress...
Given how 10nm has been delayed time and time again, I have a feeling Intel don't have much of an avenue to ramp up 14nm elsewhere, either through no option to do so, or a bloody-minded persistence in ploughing all money into getting 10nm to work.
It's been suggested and discussed that the original form for Z390 was to build all the components in-house on 14nm, but capacity shortages already present meant they were pushed into reusing their 22nm kit from Z370 and use 3rd party controllers for the new connectivity stuff. So perhaps they made the decision to keep the boards on 22nm so 14nm could be used for the CPUs.
Or, as you say, it's all a big fib to artificially raise prices, limit availability or whatnot.
I guess we'll see when the actual product launches.