I think previous stock results had the 9900K as 33% faster than an 8700K and 18% faster than a 2700X in the CPU test. This comparison has the difference at 11.5% with a max turbo on the 2700X above stock.
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Core 9000 series
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Caporegime
Stock Intel results are all over the place because they will boost to whatever upto 4.3Ghz the cooling will allow, some motherboards will boost them to 4.7Ghz on all cores without any user input, its why sometimes you see very little difference between apparently stock and overclocked results.
In this case they are all overclocked, so no funny business, we know what all the clocks are, they are listed in the CPU dropdown.
9900K #1: 4.8Ghz
9900K #2: 5.0Ghz
2700X: 4.45Ghz
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So very little difference between a 1'st gen 6 core and a 2'nd gen 8 clocked higher.
I think its probably Windows yet again unable to deal with anything with more than four cores
It must be because the Linux score is hugely higher.
7.zip is the same, compression it doesn't scale at all in Windows, yet in Linux it scales perfectly.
Could be a win for AMD if Intel put pressure on Microsoft to sort out Windows scaling with multiple cores.
Caporegime
There is a reason why almost all servers are Linux, and increasingly workstations are moving away from Windows to Linux.
Windows is crap and its not likely to get any better.
Edit: Intel will not do anything that changes the result if it favours them, not for you, me, no one.
Soldato
But if half of their super fancy, super expensive 8-core baby goes unused and doesn't show the performance lead its premium price tag would demand, you know they'll be on the phone to Redmond causing hell.
Caporegime
Well ok you're right, but then these guys have to do complicated stuff.
When you watch this video it will be forever more your impression of Microsoft.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d_AP3SGMxxM
Soldato
Oh I'm not dismissing the work involved, but given how often I see Facebook adverts pushing Intel products in tandem with Windows 10, and vise versa, you can't have one side of the equation showing the other up.
Never seen a geekbench option to be fair, Have owned Abit/Msi/Asus and giga and never come across that as an option. The only one i've ever seen is 3dmark, and that s off
Whilst a tend to agree having had a look I am swaying to windows shenanigans again as there isn't the same disparity when using a Intel CPU.
Time MS used a new compiler and not Intels
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It is still all about Ghz when it comes windows crap Microsoft are going the same way as Intel no investment.
Associate
Lets all have no features at all. Lets ditch windows 10 and sacrifice any visually appealing boxes or features so that we can buy any old bang for buck/budget cpu and make it feel lightning fast by getting it to load only a few very basic boxes of text asking for and wanting dev inputs as an OS.
It'll be lightning quick as your cpu will only have to load and run a 1mb OS with no features (so nothing will be running in the background), it'll see all 64 Amd cores which in turn means it will be rapid for manually entering all those dev codes on every box pop up (to do something like display the time) or for you to manually enter all your server settings.
I'm sure you can most probably achieve super benchmarking scores on Linux as long as you can find the 1% of benchmarking software that can run on it. The only snag with linux is that if it isn't being used as a server then 99.9% of software won't run, fails to run correctly, causes the whole installation and os data to fail/corrupt so you can no longer boot anymore (unless of course youre a dev who can re-write the whole OS on the specially formatted HDD/SDD that youll have weeks formatting back to anything recognisable outside of linux) or it'll create yet more irreversible dev pop up boxes wanting diagnostics input from someone with a masters degree in programming. Then you say Windows is crap!
This thread has become hijacked and totally taken over by the defensive Linux Amd gang.
Every other post is about putting Intel down for security or hyping Amds value for money and how zen 10 will beat the 9900k on 3nm in 2035, its the same few people that spend all day as amd fans indulged in the dedicated intel threads.
Windows is feature rich and its popularity throughout 99.9% of pc users means everything works, everything is compatible, everyone is familiar and if anyone has an issue, theres bound to be someone who can help you fix it or a rapid fix on an update within hours. Windows has visually complete features that require a click of a mouse to do the task the logos/symbols suggest, it is click, bam done, no dodgy programming code required.
I want to read about intel series 9000 processors (the thread titles topic) not about how Linux is fantastic and amd is superior because it costs a quid a core and will get you a few extra points on a server OS that utilises all cores to run nothing anyway
It'll be lightning quick as your cpu will only have to load and run a 1mb OS with no features (so nothing will be running in the background), it'll see all 64 Amd cores which in turn means it will be rapid for manually entering all those dev codes on every box pop up (to do something like display the time) or for you to manually enter all your server settings.
I'm sure you can most probably achieve super benchmarking scores on Linux as long as you can find the 1% of benchmarking software that can run on it. The only snag with linux is that if it isn't being used as a server then 99.9% of software won't run, fails to run correctly, causes the whole installation and os data to fail/corrupt so you can no longer boot anymore (unless of course youre a dev who can re-write the whole OS on the specially formatted HDD/SDD that youll have weeks formatting back to anything recognisable outside of linux) or it'll create yet more irreversible dev pop up boxes wanting diagnostics input from someone with a masters degree in programming. Then you say Windows is crap!
This thread has become hijacked and totally taken over by the defensive Linux Amd gang.
Every other post is about putting Intel down for security or hyping Amds value for money and how zen 10 will beat the 9900k on 3nm in 2035, its the same few people that spend all day as amd fans indulged in the dedicated intel threads.
Windows is feature rich and its popularity throughout 99.9% of pc users means everything works, everything is compatible, everyone is familiar and if anyone has an issue, theres bound to be someone who can help you fix it or a rapid fix on an update within hours. Windows has visually complete features that require a click of a mouse to do the task the logos/symbols suggest, it is click, bam done, no dodgy programming code required.
I want to read about intel series 9000 processors (the thread titles topic) not about how Linux is fantastic and amd is superior because it costs a quid a core and will get you a few extra points on a server OS that utilises all cores to run nothing anyway
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Soldato
I've got to agree, this has become an AMD thread.
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lol i wish i was as good as you with typing a couple of words to make my points, i dunno i just cant help myself, i have to spill my whole thoughts into essays of text.
Soldato
Well said @Jamie Archer. This thread has been terrible lately. Having to read through pages of off-topic crap to try and get up to date on any 9900k news.
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I’m afraid that if I cleaned the thread of all the off topic posts, there’d be nothing left!
Don’t forget, I deleted the GD stickies on my last rampage... let’s get back on topic or the thread may accidentally disappear too
Don’t forget, I deleted the GD stickies on my last rampage... let’s get back on topic or the thread may accidentally disappear too
Hyperbole much!
All I was pointing out was the perf discrepancy as I originally though a score of 26k was low!
@Jamie Archer will you please stop with the Linux nonsense. It's misinformation at best, you can generally do anything you can on any other OS apart from gaming. It's better at some things and Windows is better for others. Much like CPU's, at a price point Intel is better for some things and AMD for others.
This isn't the place for it but a discussion about the pro's of the Linux scheduler and understanding what it's better at could lead to pressure on Microsoft to improve their product. That would be win all around. There's no need for the constant negativity and point scoring in what could be interesting discussions.
Anyway, on topic, the geek in me is quite interested in 8700K vs 9700K and learning how much value HT is adding once the core count rises.
This isn't the place for it but a discussion about the pro's of the Linux scheduler and understanding what it's better at could lead to pressure on Microsoft to improve their product. That would be win all around. There's no need for the constant negativity and point scoring in what could be interesting discussions.
Anyway, on topic, the geek in me is quite interested in 8700K vs 9700K and learning how much value HT is adding once the core count rises.
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Yeah i know exactly what you mean and you'll also find that even when you do get some positive news or an update with record breaking benchmark leaks, rather than be able to talk about it in positivity, youll get totally bombarded with amd pricing comparisons and how the performance (no matter how great, market leading or above Amd it is) won't matter because it needs to come in at amd price or lower to even be relevant.
I am enthusiastic about the latest intel chips, i want one and want to talk to others in mutual interest, positively. I don't wanna hear mystic meg comments from the pro Amd on how their chips will beat these in a few years time...Im an enthusiast now and today and i want the fun of using and testing cutting edge tech now, not next year...
What is best in 2 or 3 years time is irrelevant to me now and if Amd are market leaders for performances per core in 2/3 years time, then i will no doubt be enthusiastic and wanting to chat positively about Amd on the Amd threads. I certainly won't be wasting my time putting others down on the competitions threads, I personally only see this as being some kind of self justification therapy.
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I'm giving my personal experiences of it, others may like it but I found all the above to be my experiences and I've tried a couple of different versions and experiences have been similar.
It is interesting to see just how much of an advantage it makes to have hyper threading over not, especially with larger core counts.
Gaming I presume for now and the foreseeable won't benefit much if at all but multicore workloads will see quite a difference I imagine.
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Nothing personal against you or singling your posts out, it's just become apparent to me that those who keep pouncing on opportunities to either put Intel down, promote amd or even have a dig towards me talking too much (as a positive enthusiast and supporter of the upcoming 9000 series chips), that each name you click on (seems the same few) and look at their recent activity, they are also on about linux, slagging intel, running on about security flaws and positively hyping Amd on other numerous threads.Hyperbole much!
All I was pointing out was the perf discrepancy as I originally though a score of 26k was low!
I just don't know why the need for them to spend so much time on this dedicated intel thread when they clearly seem to hate Intel's strategy, dislike the pricing and won't touch an intel chip with a bargepole for its security issues. To me this is a thread more for those enthusiastic who want to talk about it positively, not slate it and promote another.
Anyway, as i say, nothing against you personally or directly, I'm speaking more about the thread in general.
I'd love to get on topic and see the news about the subject in the threads title without having to sift through all the devaluing, negative, defensive and blatantly obvious amd fanboyism.