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I don't think this is going to result in any kind of constructive conversation.
Edit: to be fair, the same could be said of a lot of posts in this thread.
COVID-19 (Coronavirus) discussion
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Edit: to be fair, the same could be said of a lot of posts in this thread.
The impact of vaccination on a population level has been hugely beneficial, we'd be in such trouble with Omicron and Delta had we not had them (total collapse of society). You got lucky with Covid but that's just anecdotal and cannot be extrapolated to the population as a whole.
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What's strange about being in control of ones body?This seems a very strange argument you're making and even stranger reasoning for it.
Do you not pay taxes? Do you not abide by the speed limit? Do you not follow the multitude of laws and regulations we have, many of which may be opposed to something you "want to do".
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The thread is the coronavirus discussion thread. Why isn't it constructive to talk about one of the major points (vaccines)?
I'd suggest thinking about the impact on others rather than just yourself.
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mk1_salami
Well we don't know that without them we'd have a major problem. That's an assumption, right?
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You know the vaccines don't stop the spread of Covid, right? So knowing that, how does it impact others?
Soldato
Have you just discovered this thread?
Its a fair question to ask no ? needn't spark any kind of nonconstructive response, thats down to the people answering not the question itself. I had the vaccination, three in fact, I have had covid three times also. I don't regret having the vaccination, each time I had covid it was unpleasant, my assumption is it would have been worse without the vaccination but who knows. Just courious mind "I'm seeing some friends around me experience issues after the jabs" like what ? how can anyone be sure its due to the jab and not something totally unrelated ?. I have friends who chose not to get vaccinated, no one was forced, but I have to say peoples repsonses to their decision were sometimes disproportionate, especially at work. One friend who was unvaccinated, did get covid very bad and was in hospital for about 2 weeks, she regretted not getting it.
Associate
Because you're probably just going to get a load of polarised views.
I'll humour you though - I know a few people who have expressed some regret over getting vaccinated, mostly because they feel like COVID didn't turn out to be as serious as they believed previously, with a bit of feeling that the way the pandemic was handled had a feeling of authoritarianism thrown in.
Anecdotally, I don't know anyone who got seriously ill from COVID or the vaccines (just the usual cold / flu symptoms from both) and I only know one person who's not vaccinated (me).
Have you heard of these concepts: serious disease, hospitalisation, Long Covid and death?
Also, on stopping transmission: the virus has mutated so much and so quickly because a number of countries (including our own) didn't take the virus seriously and did such a poor job in controlling spread (the more infections there are the more the virus mutates); we also did very badly in terms of vaccinating much of the rest of world (the parts where poverty is rife) and this all gave the virus the perfect opportunity to mutate and outpace the vaccines.
We are still using the original vaccines against this now almost unrecognisable virus and it's a miracle they continue to work as well as they do. Lastly the vaccines (which let me remind you were designed to target the original virus not Omicron) don't stop transmission but they do reduce it, even if it's marginal this is significant on a population level. The impact on severe disease is much more durable and has saved countless lives.
No, just look at the stats comparing unvaccinated to vaccinated (before significant natural immunity was built up).
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That's a fair point buddy. We can't be sure. Much in the same way double, triple & quadruple jabbed people can't be sure they'd have been "much worse" without the jabs.
I had one friend who took a bad reaction to the first jab. So much so that the second was administered in the hospital under doctor supervision. His heart stopped within 10 minutes of the jab. Now that would be a hell of a coincidence. Thankfully he was resuscitated and seems to be ok. The other friend now has what appear to be lifelong heart complications. Again, we can't be 100% sure but up till that point he had no issues.
I'm not looking to cause any problems here. It was a simple question "does anyone regret it"
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I just don't spend much time on internet forums like I used to. You'll see I've been a member for 20 years (actually more, pre-nuke).
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Objection. Speculative.
I think a lot of people will always have a flu like grade case of COVID vaccinated or not, with the vaccine only having a mild to moderate effect on symptoms but helps to prevent it going severe/critical in those it would have.
There seems to be others who appear to be higher than average susceptible to COVID almost like an allergic reaction where I think the vaccine has a bigger effect. Then you have those who are more susceptible due to existing health condition or old age where the vaccine seems to have a larger effect especially in preventing cases becoming severe/critical.
If you look at the graphs of cases and prevalence vs hospitalisations vs critical care utilisation vs deaths (for instance https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/ ) there is a distinct pattern around the introduction of vaccines and further with Omicron becoming dominant, there is also likely some factors like natural immunity levels and/or culling of those more susceptible to the disease. There are distinct changes with a huge reduction of severe cases and death which can't be explained entirely by any one factor but have a defined correlation with vaccines and also Omicron.
Soldato
This is where you've lost me.
Don
To be honest, they never did release figures for immuno compromised people who couldn't get vaccinated (and is the single biggest risk factor of any of them).
Soldato
I felt very rough after each of my three Covid vaccine jabs last year, needing time off work and being borderline for hospital admission after the first jab. My cycling numbers went down the toilet each time for months, but I will happily take another jab if offered, to reduce the risk of serious infection consequences.