COVID-19 (Coronavirus) discussion
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Soldato
Relative or just one of the posse?
Relative - was over Saturday before the game but probably picked it up at the game.
mk1_salami
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mk1_salami
Thank god you had the vaccine right, or it would be way worse
Sarcasm aside, I hope you get better soon.
Man of Honour
I sort of agree. But at the same time we have no way of knowing the actual death toll had we continued as normal. I will concur that it would have undoubtedly been higher.
However, the hangover from all of these restrictions do mean that excessive death from other diseases is bound to go up. You can't have one without the other. I'm not saying either way is correct or not and I don't have an alternative other than perhaps to have continued to treat people for cancer and other serious diseases even during COVID? but I'm not an expert clearly.
Personally, if I had cancer I would want people to have taken a risk of catching COVID to help save me. I know that sounds very selfish, but I'm sure people with cancer would probably feel the same. Perhaps I'm wrong regardless. It's all a mess and we're not looking like we're going to get out of this mess anytime soon, especially with this joke of a government.
Don
It pretty much shifted the burden from people with only a year or so left of their lives anyway onto the rest of the population, so depends on where you sit on the value of how many 80 year olds are worth saving for ever person in the 40 or 50s given that the excess non-covid mortality is seen across all age groups.
Man of Honour
Not an easy decision unless you can detach human emotion and look at it dispassionately with just data. Which we all know is nigh on impossible
Don
Indeed, hence the situation we're in now!
Soldato
As I said, we were damned if we did and damned if we didn't.
There were only going to be 2 outcomes.
A) Don't lockdown, meaning people needing hostpital treatment for covid would have basically meant converting every ward in every hospital across the country into a covid only ward, meaning nothing else could get treated inc emergencies, cancer etc.
B) Lockdown, as we did to limit spread to thus limit covid related hospital admissions as much as possible to allow some wards to carry on operating at limited capacity for other ailments.
Either way treatment would have been comprimised for other diseases, but not locking down would have basically meant turning the health system into a covid only treatment service.
There were only going to be 2 outcomes.
A) Don't lockdown, meaning people needing hostpital treatment for covid would have basically meant converting every ward in every hospital across the country into a covid only ward, meaning nothing else could get treated inc emergencies, cancer etc.
B) Lockdown, as we did to limit spread to thus limit covid related hospital admissions as much as possible to allow some wards to carry on operating at limited capacity for other ailments.
Either way treatment would have been comprimised for other diseases, but not locking down would have basically meant turning the health system into a covid only treatment service.
Man of Honour
I think it would have been more than just COVID treatment but I get the point you're making.
Soldato
It wouldn't have been far off with how understaffed wards already were even before the pandemic kicked off.
We also have to remember that during the early stages of lockdown, where we didn't have pharmacutical treatments or vaccines to lessen the burden, a high proportion of those being hospitalised required ICU beds for mechanical ventillation. These beds are scarce at the best of times due to the high training requirement of the nurses who tend to ICU patients. Without curbing transmission and keeping the number of total infections down, ICU would have been the first to collapse meaning any other emergencies or surgeries requiring a stay in an ICU ward would not have been possible if they were all full with Covid patients.
Soldato
Maybe that was the idea for the Nightingales, until they realised they didn't have any staff.
Man of Honour
Such a good opportunity shame it went to ****.
Soldato
It must be heartbreaking to have a relative or friend told it’s too late to receive treatment and/or have surgery as been delayed seeing a specialist due to Covid? If they had developed symptoms 3-4 years before, they would have been seen to on time and survive cancer.
Some will be angered.
My parents have lost 3 friends in this way and another won’t make it to 2023.
Some will be angered.
My parents have lost 3 friends in this way and another won’t make it to 2023.
Soldato
How many random tests do the ONS send out each week?
Don
The galling thing about that is that some individual NHS trusts were effectively furloughing nursing staff during the first lockdown.
As people keep pointing out to you, without the various measures that were taken to reduce the spread of COVID-19 the NHS would have been overrun and a lot of people would not have been able to receive treatment for other conditions anyway.