COVID-19 (Coronavirus) discussion

Hedge said:
It changed people's attitudes to make them less accepting of other humans.

I've started thinking back to when this all started and how we had key workers. Key workers were effectively low paid workers who helped support our need to maintain steady delivery's picked and packed by amazon.

Not quite sure how essential buying some cheap tat was but I suppose it made us feel better.

We can all live by established new normal but people should be able to question it without being seen as unintelligent or a conspiracy theorist.

One thing this last few years has made clear is that people aren't really open to any opinions that differ from their own. They prefer to just shut down any opposing view.
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I am a key worker. People thanked us for being there and going what we could.

Now most customers are getting ruder, aggressive and have zero patience for queuing. No idea what they try to achieve from acting like this. All the things from doing this are all negative - upsetting/stressing shop staff, cause other customers to queue more and potentially being banned.

Now one thing none of us want to endure ever again is the selfish shelf stripping of March 2020. It was soul destroying seeing empty shelves. Cried each day. Every colleague cried in some form. The only things we had in the warehouse were sun lotion and posh face creams.
 
Covid situation made me go through a raft of opinions from one extreme to the other and then settle down to a more middle ground.

I.e. it doesn't bother me if you decide not to vaccinate yourself. Just like it doesn't bother me if you do or don't wear a mask (when it's not mandatory). I'm happy for people to make their own minds and decisions, what I won't accept is people preaching to me or being rude because I do / don't agree with the same opinion.

I think the vitriol from both sides of the argument is unacceptable. There's plenty of evidence to suggest why you would want to be vaccinated and wear a mask but at the same time I still want to live in a world where people can make their own choices about their lives.

Also people's opinions on lockdowns and everything else. I think we saw a very dark militant attitude from many people and any other opinion was considered blasphemous and that the person should be burned at the stake.

It's clearly a passionate subject and in a way it's good to see people so focussed. However rather than a more equitable and open discussion there was a lot of aggressive and disparaging remarks from both sides.

I know I was on the receiving end of some of them but I have thick skin and have been on these.forums long enough not to let it bother me. However still not a very human interaction in my opinion.

Regardless of your perspective I think we do need to be less aggressive to one another and more open than not everyone sees the world (regardless of data) the same way. We have a long way to go.
 
Fear makes people do funny things, normally mild people get aggressive, others retreat into a shell and do not want others near by. I am hoping that this winter we know a lot more, on all sides, medical staff, key workers and Joe public. Vaccination is a personal choice but consideration for others we interact with may make people get vaccinated regardless. Mask wearing may come back due to colds etc.
 
I think the main problem was the messaging from the government and the changing story and goalposts. Agreed that this was novel and new but at the same time it didn't instill strong leadership or trust.
 
Freefaller said:
Covid situation made me go through a raft of opinions from one extreme to the other and then settle down to a more middle ground.

I.e. it doesn't bother me if you decide not to vaccinate yourself. Just like it doesn't bother me if you do or don't wear a mask (when it's not mandatory). I'm happy for people to make their own minds and decisions, what I won't accept is people preaching to me or being rude because I do / don't agree with the same opinion.

I think the vitriol from both sides of the argument is unacceptable. There's plenty of evidence to suggest why you would want to be vaccinated and wear a mask but at the same time I still want to live in a world where people can make their own choices about their lives.

Also people's opinions on lockdowns and everything else. I think we saw a very dark militant attitude from many people and any other opinion was considered blasphemous and that the person should be burned at the stake.

It's clearly a passionate subject and in a way it's good to see people so focussed. However rather than a more equitable and open discussion there was a lot of aggressive and disparaging remarks from both sides.

I know I was on the receiving end of some of them but I have thick skin and have been on these.forums long enough not to let it bother me. However still not a very human interaction in my opinion.

Regardless of your perspective I think we do need to be less aggressive to one another and more open than not everyone sees the world (regardless of data) the same way. We have a long way to go.
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This is exactly it. My thoughts have also changed over the last two years and I agree with what you've said.

What's crap is the way we latch one to one tiny aspect of a person such as their choice on vaccination, then we use that to bring their entire character into question. We look at 10% of a person and if it doesn't align with our opinion we conclude 100% of them is bad. Society is becoming pretty toxic.
 
Freefaller said:
I think the main problem was the messaging from the government and the changing story and goalposts. Agreed that this was novel and new but at the same time it didn't instill strong leadership or trust.
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There was a lot of interpretation of messaging to suit individuals needs. However to have made it more bulletproof would also have made it onerous and legislative. Police would not have coped and it is not very British.
 
The whole saga clearly shows it doesn't take much for cracks in a "civilised" society to appear.

Advocating an almost 2 tier society at one point.

Some of these were lurking in these forums as well, so the stink isn't far away. I'm well aware of who they all are still.
 
lemonkettaz said:
The whole saga clearly shows it doesn't take much for cracks in a "civilised" society to appear.

Advocating an almost 2 tier society at one point.

Some of these were lurking in these forums as well, so the stink isn't far away. I'm well aware of who they all are still.
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We will end up with social passports and if we want to experience certain things we will have to prove we meet a certain criteria. Its heading the way of Black Mirror
 
Just a friendly reminder of the craziness that appeared here.

It was a pretty rough time for everyone, but I always maintained the messaging was just obscene. Which in turn created this bizarre behaviour across society. Like I say, being civilised is delicate.

It would no doubt all happen again I don't think anyone would really learn from it all. Very negative view I know.
 
lemonkettaz said:
The whole saga clearly shows it doesn't take much for cracks in a "civilised" society to appear.
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Civilised society requires people to be responsible and have a degree of consideration for others.

Hagar said:
Vaccination is a personal choice but consideration for others we interact with may make people get vaccinated regardless. Mask wearing may come back due to colds etc.
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I don't know if the science backs it up - but from everything I've seen at least with Delta and Omicron variants this disease is at the same time much easier to spread than many existing similar diseases but also much easier to prevent spreading by simple actions. I'm convinced we hard stopped it spreading at work just by people maintaining reasonable distancing and maintaining a sanitisation routine. While other similar businesses in the area were seeing outbreaks take out 2/3rds of their staff we only had sporadic individual cases*, until measures were relaxed and we had several outbreaks.


* Aside from one department having about 4/5ths of their staff come down with it at the same time after socialising outside of work.
 
Yesterday was exactly a week since I came down with Covid and I am still testing positive. I am left with a throat that is now healing and mucus produciton that is still at a silly high so I am purposely coughing every so often to expel this crap. So on a scale of 1-10 I'd say I'm approaching an 8. I still cannot smell or taste anything though. On Saturday evening I drank some tabasco and didn't even feel it.
 
Kainz said:
Yesterday was exactly a week since I came down with Covid and I am still testing positive. I am left with a throat that is now healing and mucus produciton that is still at a silly high so I am purposely coughing every so often to expel this crap. So on a scale of 1-10 I'd say I'm approaching an 8.
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Go for a run, it'll either kill you or the covid
 
Puzzled said:
www.bbc.co.uk

China approves inhaled Covid vaccine

Inhaled as a fine mist, Convidecia Air can provide good protection after just one breath, its maker says.
www.bbc.co.uk

This will get the anti-vax conspiracy theorists riled up, "They are putting the vaccine in the air, wear a mask to stop it" :p

Good for those that don't like needles though.
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I thought vaccine inhalers were alway the end game?
 
Exactly 10 days after suffering with this thing, I tested negative this morning. I need one more consecutive negative tomorrow morning and I'm good to return to work! I feel so unfit being stuck at home for this long.
 
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